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Ottoman Empire in EUIII
I would like to start this thread for Ottoman Empire and other Turkish minor related subjects regarding EU III gameplay and provide some suggestions. Some other similar topics have eventually evolved into Turkish bashing threads and moved into OT area. So please keep this thread primarily focused on gameplay issues and post only if you feel you are contributing to the discussion in a constructive way.
The main issues I would like to see addressed as the game details are being revealed are; - Provinces: names, borders; ownership; cultures; religion; population; resources; and income levels. - Graphics: flags; sprites; map; icons; landmarks etc. - Leaders: Monarchs; Generals; Admirals; Advisors; Courtiers - Events CALIPHATE: I would like to see the Caliphate institution applied to Sunnis in a similar way to the Papacy/Curia for Catholics. Even though the Caliphs had less of a secular power and they were more spiritual under the Mameluks, with Ottomans, the Sultans assumed the title themselves and used it to craft strong Sunni alliance blocs from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean. Ottoman claims on the Caliphate began as early as 1453 with Mehmed II and reached it's peak with Selim I's conquest of Egypt where the last Abbasid Caliph abdicated in favor of the Sultan. Even though there wasn't an election of any kind as the Papacy had, there can be substantial benefits for those who hold the title and should also serve as a powerful instrument especially in the field of foreign relations with other Sunni states. THE PATRIARCHATE: Similar to the Caliphate institution, the Patriarchate should be able to simulate a similar function to the Papacy in regards to Orthodox Christian faith. The institution was first abolished by the Latins during the Fourth Crusade in 1204 with the first fall of Constantinople, but then was revived 60 years later. It merged with the Catholic faith once more under the shadow of the Ottoman siege of Constantinople, but the locals did not support this political decision. When Mehmed II entered his newly acquired capital, he gathered the wisest Orthodox clerics and established the Patriarchate of Constantinople for the Orthodox faith and placed them under his protection. CULTURE: As we don't know the role and effect of the cultures in EU III, it's not a good idea to speculate on the cultural identity of Ottomans. However, I believe we would be safe to assume Turkish, Greek and Armenian as the starting cultures of Ottoman Empire and Slavic, Arab, Kurdish and perhaps other cultures might later be added on along with the invasions. Similarly Mameluks and Safevids should have Turkish culture along with others. LEADERS: I have tried to compile a long list of various Ottoman generals, admirals, courtiers and advisors in this thread which is now in the History Forum. There's over a hundred and fifty of them at the moment with some of them with their own portraits. Please feel free to check it out and add your comments, suggestions and graphics wherever you see fit. MONARCHS: Here is a list of all Ottoman Monarchs along with their portraits. I hope there can be some extra sleeping monarchs as Cem Sultan that can be activated through events. NAMES: In EUII the Turkish random leader names .csv file consisted of random city names, and even though I mentioned it on several occasions, it has never been fixed for the patches, and the same ridiculous list kept passing around to other titles such as HOI and Victoria. I hope they can compile an appropriate list before the release. More suggestions are always welcome. Other name files were no better unfortuanetly and there have been many suitable suggestions for Ottoman/Turkish Colony Names, Army Names, Navy Names in the EU II modding forums, however, they never made it to the EU II patches. Hopefully EU III will have a better list this time. I will try to post more suggestions here later on. FLAGS: I am not going to comment on the flag issue, as the Ottoman flag varied greatly during 1453-1779 period, although the Crescent and the red background are proper representations. Hopefully they will have an option to adopt the Crescent and Star flag later on in the game through events. There's a great flag thread here with many Ottoman and Balkan flags along with other Turkish minors, Mamluks and Safavids. UNIFORMS: There are some nice designs in this thread here and also some more can be found here if anyone is interested in medieval concept uniforms. MAP: This is a map I have designed for Asia Minor in 1453 and I have included the province names and city names as they appeared in that period under the appropriate states. ISTANBUL OR CONSTANTINOPLE?: First of all this is nobody's business but the Turks! But if we are talking 1453, then that's a grey area. Constantinople is the Anglo-French version of the original name that was Κωνσταντινούπολη (Konstantinoupoli) which was pronounced as Kostantiniyye by the Ottomans. Since the game begins with the fall of the city to the Turks, I believe the right thing to is to name it after the Ottoman version: Kostantiniyye or to add an "n" for a compromise to make it Konstantiniyye. Any other reference would seem either fake, or out of time.LANDMARKS: It's essential to include the graphical images of famous landmarks in the appropriate cities. Constantinople/Istanbul should come with Agia Sophia (St. Sophia) and Bursa should have the Ulu Cami or the Green Mouseloum, while other landmarks, Selimiye, Suleymaniye and such should be available for building in desired cities.
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you did great job in researching for the names etc...
but you know that several minutes after the game's release most the ppl that would interested in playing something in that region would play the modable east roman empire /joking ofc ![]() btw all this research make to wonder if the names of the cities/regions will be modable.... you know anything about that?
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I've seen the name "Stamboul" used on maps from the 19th Century, before there was a standardised form of Turkish in Roman characters, but again, I suppose this is still after the EU3 period.
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Which reminds me, on one map I saw an alternative name for Dulkadir, and Arabic-looking form Dhu'l Kadr. Was the population of this region in the 15th Century mainly Turkish or mainly Arab, or a mixture? Were the rulers Arabs or Turks?
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Sorry for being ignorant, but that part of the world didn't get much attention in any of my history courses. What I've read on my own (usually from the Roman & Byzantine, a little from the biblical POV) barely touches upon the fundamental character of the people there. Either it assumes the reader knows, or that it's not important. |
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Neither, it was primarily kurdish and armenian, with a Turkish minority upper class.
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Central Turkey is a pretty inhospitable place for large settlements and did not support very dense populations. So as the cultures of the invaders changed and they settled on the coasts (which were hospitable) first and then pushed inland and displaced the previous dvellers.
So whenever the cultures changed for the rullers the cultures for the peasants did too. Most often with most dire results for the previous residents.
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Tunch, those dates listed in the leaders thread, that is birth and death dates. Around what age would they have become 'active'?
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Some ideas;
CALIPHATE: Caliphate does not make much sense for the Ottomans, but they surely had some prestige among other Muslims for being the foremost 'Ghazi' state. Ottoman Sultans often justified their wars with other Muslims by saying, something like: 'We are expanding the borders of Islam by fighting the infidels. But you attack us from behind. You are allied with the infidels, our religious experts therefore declare that you are infidels as well, and you'll pay for it.' In game terms, the Ghazi status may be covered with the EU II 'Defender of the Faith' status or something similar, but expanded (i.e. lower BB for annexing lands of different religion, relations bonus for same religion countries, something like these). Shia should have Imam instead of Caliph. CULTURE: For the Ottomans; Turkish definitely primary culture. Greek and Slavic definitely there by 1453-1789. Armenian, maybe. I think Armenians became important later in Ottoman history. Kurdish, no. Kurds had some autonomy in their region, but they were not involved in the Ottoman state mechanism, AFAIK. Arab, definitely not at 1453. After 1517, maybe. As a surprise option, Tatar may be considered. In EU II, Tatars are 'Mongol', which is dead wrong. I think Tatars should be named Tatar and Ottomans may have Tatar as state culture. I'd rather not do this, but it is an idea. Persian is another idea. Given their influence on the Ottomans. For other Turkish principalities: Turkish. Greek, Arabic, Kurdish, Armenian are also possible, depending on where they are, and what the province culture will be. LEADERS: Tunc, great job there. Some famous people: Sedefkar Mehmed Aga: Architect. Great Sinan's student. Architect of Sultan Ahmed a.k.a. Blue Mosque. Was Chief Architect between 1606-1622. Mimar Hayrettin: Architect of the famous Mostar bridge in 1566. Ismail Han (Rumi): Architect. Dome expert. Built the dome of Taj Mahal. He can be a leader for Mughals as well. Hocazade Mustafa: (d.1488) Mehmed II era. Famous scholar (religious matters). Alaeddin Tusi: (d.1482) Famous scholar. Invited from Iran by Murat II. returned to Iran after Hocazade Mustafa's work was deemed superior to his by the scholars in a written debate ordered by Mehmed II. Molla Gurani: (1416-1488) Religous scholar. Promoted to Kazasker and Sheik-ul Islam (highest possible ranks) by Mehmed II. Mehmed Fenari: Scholar of deductive sciences. Wrote textbook on on Logic. 15th century (?) Kadizade Musa Pasa: 'Genius' mathematician and astronomer. Went to Samarkand, and became the head of Ulug Beg's (Great Astronomer, Timurid Emperor-grandson of Timur) Observatory (one of the best in the world at the time). Teacher of Ali Kuscu, Molla Lutfi and Mirim Celebi, all famous astronomers and mathematicians. Yirmisekiz Mehmet Celebi: Able Diplomat. Sent to France in 1721. Said Celebi: Son of 28 Mehmet Celebi. Brought printing press to Turkey with Ibrahim Muteferrika. Molla Kabiz: Contraversial religious scholar. Claimed that Jesus was superior to all other prophets including Mohammed. He was tried once, but found innocent. Sultan Suleyman didn't like this result, and asked for another trial, in which he was found guilty, and killed in 1527. Ibn Kemal: Religous scholar. Same time with Molla Kabiz. Yazicizade Ahmet: Wrote an important book on religion, reign of Mehmed II. Taskopruluzade Ahmet: Religious/Humanities scholar. 1495-1561. That's all from now. They come from Inalcik's Ottoman Empire Classical Age 1300-1600. It is no coincidence that there are many in Mehmed II.'s reign. He was a great supporter of learning. NAMES: We can easily compile a list of names for the game. MAP: Good work again. |
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QUEEN MOTHERS:
Just inspired by the Royal Marriages thread, I wanted to add a few lines about the importance of this institution for Ottoman Queen Mothers. Ottomans had numerous royal marriages with other Orthodox states, so did Akkoyunlu with Trebizond etc. There is even a seperate Harem institution in OE which enables slave foreign girls to become Queen Mothers, the highest political position after the Sultan himself and history proved that whenever a new Queen Mother is at the throne, the relations between the specific country she is from and OE improves considerably and there is definate time of peace. Venice, Serbia, Russia, France are such countries to obtain privilidged status during the Sultanate of such women. Josephine Bonaparte was such a figure for instance who had her cousine Aimée Dubuc de Rivery at the Ottoman throne. Her son, Mahmud II who was half French from Martinique was the most able reformer sultan which abolished the corrupted Janissary institution and modernised the Ottoman Empire. When Napoleon divorced Josephine, Ottomans joined the anti-French league at the cost of loosing Basserabia to Russia, which lead to a disaster for Napoleon. You don't cross a French girl from Martinique like that. You can name it Harem or Royal Marriage or something else, but the foreign women certainly had a deep impact on Ottoman politics from international to domestic affairs, and there is a period of time after Suleyman I that was called the Century of Ottoman Queen Mothers (Valide Sultans). During that period, you could do no business in Ottoman Empire without bribing the Black Harem Aga (One of the highest imperial positions) to get to the Queen Mother, who would conduct the business herself. Of course her price was much higher, but afterall, she ruled an empire on three continents.
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If you know history you may be surprised that nomads assimilated sedentary peoples, who both outnumber them and are culturally superior. The explanation is simple. Seljuks were not nomads. They were already sedentary and highly civilised, due to their convertion to Islam and contact with Iran. Their settlers were often nomadic, but there was also a sophisticated urban class, which formed the Seljuk government. In short, majority of the native Anatolians were first Hellenised by the Greeks and later Turkified by the Turks. |
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What happend wth the anatolians was that they changed culture to that of the ruling class because that gave advantages. The actual turkish settlement in anatolia was never that big compared to the population who already lived there.
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TURKISH RANDOM LEADER NAMES:
TUR;Osman TUR;Selim TUR;Süleyman TUR;Davud TUR;Kasim TUR;Togay TUR;Meliksah TUR;Balaban TUR;Toktamis TUR;Alparslan TUR;Alpyürek TUR;Aytekin TUR;Aydogan TUR;Ertugrul TUR;Cüneyd TUR;Bahadir TUR;Baturay TUR;Batuhan TUR;Dogukan TUR;Dündar TUR;Hizir TUR;Baybars TUR;Tanrivermis TUR;Bozan TUR;Sahinsah TUR;Danismend TUR;Ridvan TUR;Alaaddin TUR;Karatay TUR;Mürsel TUR;Saruca TUR;Burak TUR;Giray TUR;Devlet TUR;Huseyin TUR;Beyazid TUR;Harun TUR;Oruc TUR;Abdulhamit TUR;Levend TUR;Silhataroglu TUR;Hasan TUR;Fazil TUR;Cemal TUR;Halil TUR;Gündüz TUR;Inal TUR;Umur TUR;Yinal TUR;Kutluk TUR;Seyit TUR;Celal TUR;Ahmed TUR;Sait TUR;Koroglu TUR;Ilyas TUR;Merzifonlu TUR;Koca Hasan TUR;Sinan TUR;Yusuf Sinan TUR;Ozdemiroglu TUR;Kadizade TUR;Hacioglu TUR;Haci Osman TUR;Rafet TUR;Islamoglu TUR;Bayraktar TUR;Turkmenoglu TUR;Cihangir TUR;Seydi Ali TUR;Uzun Hasan TUR;Erdogan TUR;Sakir TUR;Ali Riza TUR;Cevat TUR;Halim TUR;Galip TUR;Bahadir TUR;Sevket TUR;Erzincanli TUR;Cezayirli TUR;Gazi Mehmed TUR;Enver TUR;Talat TUR;Ismail TUR;Kamil TUR;Cengiz TUR;Ali TUR;Adnan TUR;Mehmet TUR;Abdullah TUR;Salih TUR;Mustafa TUR;Murat TUR;Saffet TUR;Mahmut TUR;Yusuf TUR;Kazim TUR;Iskender TUR;Serhat TUR;Ahmet TUR;Yunus TUR;Hayrettin TUR;Kilic TUR;Ozdemir TUR;Yigit TUR;Tahsin TUR;Ziya TUR;Muhammed TUR;Melik TUR;Alparslan TUR;Fuat TUR;Abdulaziz TUR;Yasin TUR;Aziz TUR;Omer TUR;Ismail TUR;Yaser TUR;Turgut TUR;Selim TUR;Cemil TUR;Eren TUR;Halid TUR;Bulent TUR;Rahman TUR;Kadir TUR;Kemal TUR;Kerim TUR;Rumi TUR;Orhan TUR;Dursun TUR;Turgut TUR;Rahmi TUR;Tevfik TUR;Abdulhalik TUR;Celaleddin TUR;Ramazan TUR;Bayram TUR;Mecid TUR;Kasim TUR;Mithat This is an initial suggestion to replace the notorious list EU II, HOI and Victoria had. I hope it to serve as a base for a better compilation.
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si vis pacem para bellum Laws are like sausages. It's better not to see them being made.-Otto von Bismarck Member of the OTFTRC - Off Topic Friends of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus -------- Istanbul Panorama 360° OttoMania - your link to the Ottoman Culture and Lifestyle in EU III ................. Neo-Ottomans thread Who is this Tunch Khan? I thought Djem de Sayd was the only Ottoman Pretender the Christians had their hands on? ~ aylo1 To be honest, this thread might as well be closed now. We've seen Tunch Khan - I can't see that there's anywhere else to go from here. ~ Austen Turkey in HOI2 - OTTOMANIA ~ Mod and Modular Pack for Victoria 2 - VIEW THREAD ........ **Thread Monster** ... History, with all her volumes vast, hath but one page.
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TURKISH ARMY NAMES:
TUR;Ordu-yu Hümayun TUR;Serhad Ordusu TUR;Rumeli Ordusu TUR;Anadolu Ordusu TUR;Suriye Ordusu TUR;Bogdan Ordusu TUR;Eflak Ordusu TUR;Kirim Ordusu TUR;Erdel Ordusu TUR;Yeni Ceri I TUR;Yeni Ceri II TUR;Misir Ordusu TUR;Kafkas Ordusu TUR;Macar Ordusu TUR;Acem Ordusu TUR;Anadolu Sipahileri TUR;Rumeli Sipahileri TUR;Timarli Sipahiler TUR;Kapikulu Süvarileri TUR;Akincilar TUR;Gaziler TUR;Yörükler TUR;Bostancilar TUR;Sekbanlar TUR;Yeni Ceri III TUR;Yeni Ceri IV TUR;Yeni Ceri V TUR;Yeni Ceri VI TUR;Yeni Ceri VII TUR;Yeni Ceri VIII TUR;Yeni Ceri IX TUR;Yeni Ceri X TUR;Deli Süvariler TUR;Tatar Süvarileri TUR;Gönüllüler TUR;Yerlikulu Bölükleri TUR;Yayalar TUR;Serhadkulu Akincilari TUR;Cebellüler TUR;Tüfekciler TUR;Humbaracilar TUR;Azaplar TUR;Besliler TUR;Levendler TUR;Cezayir Levendleri TUR;Voynuklar TUR;Magribiler TUR;Cerkez Muhafizlar TUR;Solaklar TUR;Martoloslar TUR;Boshnak Panduklari TUR;Eflak Tüfekcileri TUR;Rum Silahdarlari TUR;Kürt Tüfekciler TUR;Süryani Ashir Muhafizlari TUR;Bedeviler TUR;Saricalar TUR;Usküdar Ordusu TUR;Filistin Ordusu TUR;Eshkinciler TUR;Sultan Has Ordusu TUR;Sekban-I Cedid I TUR;Sekban-I Cedid II TUR;Sekban-I Cedid III TUR;Sekban-I Cedid IV TUR;Kuvva-I Dürziye TUR;Kahire Taburu TUR;Arnavutlar TUR;Bosnak Bölügü TUR;Bulgar Bölügü TUR;Tatar Bölügü TUR;Nizami Cedid TUR;Memlükler TUR;Cerkezler TUR;Acemiler TUR;Basi Bozuklar TUR;Nizami Cedid II TUR;Nizami Cedid III TUR;Nizami Cedid IV TUR;Nizami Cedid V TUR;Nizami Cedid VI TUR;Nizami Cedid VII TUR;Nizami Cedid VIII TUR;Nizami Cedid IX TUR;Nizami Cedid X TUR;Medine Muhafizlari TUR;Makedonya Ordusu TUR;Istanbul Ordusu TUR;Fizan Taburu TUR;Hassa Alayi TUR;Silistre Süvarileri TUR;Istanbul Süvarileri TUR;Sancak Ordusu TUR;Hareket Ordusu TUR;Birinci Ordu TUR;Ikinci Ordu TUR;Ucüncü Ordu TUR;Dördüncü Ordu TUR;Besinci Ordu TUR;Altinci Ordu TUR;Yedinci Ordu TUR;Sekizinci Ordu TUR;Dokuzuncu Ordu TUR;Yildirim Ordulari Another suggestion list to help establish a base for a more realistic and colorful army list.
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TURKISH COLONY NAMES:
TUR;Cidde;498 TUR;Dubai;505 TUR;Yeni Halic;209 TUR;Yeni Istanbul;North America TUR;Yeni Rodos;Carribean TUR;Caka Bey;Carribean TUR;Karamürsel;Carribean TUR;Yeni Bursa;North America TUR;Gölcük;North America TUR;Sakarya;North America TUR;Limanhisar;North America TUR;Turgut Reis;North America TUR;Muradiye;North America TUR;Tepecik;North America TUR;Degirmendere;North America TUR;Karahisar;West Africa TUR;Karaliman;West Africa TUR;Fizan;West Africa TUR;Ateshisar;West Africa TUR;Akkumkale;West Africa TUR;Alevabad;West Africa TUR;Yesildere;South America TUR;Osmaniye;South America TUR;Orhaniye;South America TUR;Limankapi;South America TUR;Kayinhisar;South America TUR;Göksu;South America TUR;Mesehisar;South America TUR;Yenihisar;Any TUR;Arifiye;Any TUR;Safranbolu;Any TUR;Göztepe;Any TUR;Kizilhisar;Any TUR;Yeni Izmit;Any TUR;Denizhisar;Any TUR;Sögüt;Any TUR;Erenköy;Any TUR;Kadiköy;Any TUR;Yeniköy;Any TUR;Bostanci;Any TUR;Canakkale;Any TUR;Düzova;Any TUR;Yesilova;Any TUR;Hendek;Any TUR;Eskihisar;Any TUR;Fatih;Any TUR;Mesire;Any TUR;Düzce;Any TUR;Vize;Any TUR;Kerbela;Any TUR;Türkbükü;Any TUR;Gazihisar;Any TUR;Süleymaniye;Any TUR;Yeni Sinop;Any TUR;Yeni Kütahya;Any TUR;Balikesir;Any TUR;Osmancik;Any TUR;Denizli;Any TUR;Kirsehir;Any TUR;Yildirimhisar;Any TUR;Yesilkoy;Any TUR;Bandyrma;Any TUR;Otluk;Any This is a list I had compiled long ago for my EU II game. Please take into consideration that this is a fantasy list, as most of those above locations were never colonized by OE. However, assuming we will be able to play and colonize as OE, it is better to have such a list to avoid colony names as "New Ankara" or "Bursa1". Please feel free to add your suggestions to this list.
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