What about "Arabia Universalis"..

mhusoy · 04-08-2005, 17:58

It could be a great game, covering the rise of the islamic world.. from the early conquests of Muhammed in the Arabian peninsula, until 632 and onward when major parts of the planet were conquered by the excited muslims..

It could be an interesting variation.. because in this era, the Europeans were just primitive feudal societes.. things started to shift around year 1000, but Europe still had to wait 400 years until things started to happen here..

had it not been for the brave Franks in the west, and the Chinese in the east, the whole world could have been a part of the caliphate by now..

it could be a great game... covering 600 to about 1400(19..)

EDITED 21-11-2005:

http://rapidshare.de/files/7808482/A...salis.rar.html

this is the link that Cool-Toxic gave me..

Zanza · 04-08-2005, 18:04

Hmm, I seriously doubt that such a game could be successful. Face it, Europeans and Americans are more interested in their own history than in the history of Arabia. Almost all computer games with a historical background are fairly focused on Europe (starting with Ancient Rome, medival times, Napoleon, World Wars) or America (Colonialization, ACW, World Wars). Exceptions such as Shogun are rare.

Mssr Roy · 04-08-2005, 18:12

I could help you with Persia and Central Asia from about 1300 onward...a limited scope, I know, but all the same, it'd be one less thing you'd have to focus on. I can make tags and events, though not graphics.

Though of course, the odds of a scenario that begins in the 7th century still having a reasonable accurate portrayal of the world by the 14th is incredibly small, so I dunno how useful I could be.

cool-toxic · 04-08-2005, 18:20

Great Link Post

Arabia Universalis ID map.

Maps:

Europe

Europe around 768-814
Europe around 962

East Europe around 850-1240

Francia around 486-768
Francia around 481-814
Francia around 768-900
Francia around 900-1180

Germany around 900-1137

Iberia around 531-711
Iberia around 711-1086

Italy around 711-900
Italy around 711
Italy around 900-1137

Middle East around 622-750
Middle East around 679-1019
Middle East around 750-945
Middle East around 945-1055

Scandinavia untill 1397

Cultures around 895
Christianity around 814

INFO:

Mad King James' Ethiopia Info

cool-toxic · 04-08-2005, 18:23

Well if you are planning making a 1000 year scenario then count me in I could make graphic and scripting.

mhusoy · 04-08-2005, 18:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mssr Roy

I could help you with Persia and Central Asia from about 1300 onward...a limited scope, I know, but all the same, it'd be one less thing you'd have to focus on. I can make tags and events, though not graphics.

Though of course, the odds of a scenario that begins in the 7th century still having a reasonable accurate portrayal of the world by the 14th is incredibly small, so I dunno how useful I could be.

Well.. if such a game should be made.. It probably had to be an new game. not a EU2-scenario...

because, almost everything would have to be changed...

Incompetent · 04-08-2005, 18:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zanza

Hmm, I seriously doubt that such a game could be successful. Face it, Europeans and Americans are more interested in their own history than in the history of Arabia. Almost all computer games with a historical background are fairly focused on Europe (starting with Ancient Rome, medival times, Napoleon, World Wars) or America (Colonialization, ACW, World Wars). Exceptions such as Shogun are rare.

Don't you think there's a market for games outside of Europe and the US?

mhusoy · 04-08-2005, 18:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by cool-toxic

Well if you are planning making a 1000 year scenario then count me in I could make graphic and scripting.

Well., I was thinking about a new game. not a new EU2-scenario..

it strikes me that there hasn't been any histoical games covering this part of the world... all paradox-games are Euro-centered.. the "age of empires"-games are also quite Euro-centered...

so I thought it could be interesting.. but I guess Osama bin Laden wouldn't like it very much...

mhusoy · 04-08-2005, 18:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Incompetent

Don't you think there's a market for games outside of Europe and the US?

Well, that maybe true.. but Europeans and Americans should learn about others than themselves also..? don't you agree?

and besides.. there are many millions of immigrants in Europa/America... I guess it would suit them ... at least...

cool-toxic · 04-08-2005, 19:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhusoy

Well., I was thinking about a new game. not a new EU2-scenario..

it strikes me that there hasn't been any histoical games covering this part of the world... all paradox-games are Euro-centered.. the "age of empires"-games are also quite Euro-centered...

so I thought it could be interesting.. but I guess Osama bin Laden wouldn't like it very much...

Why not make a mod anyway?
it could be great i think there would be many that would help

Akritas · 04-08-2005, 19:06

The MES (Mongol Empire Scenario) Mod covers the second half of this time span quite nicely
.

cool-toxic · 04-08-2005, 19:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akritas

The MES (Mongol Empire Scenario) Mod covers the second half of this time span quite nice.

yes but isn´t 1100 it start in?
this mod should start in 600.

cool-toxic · 04-08-2005, 19:10

it would be nice with three scenarios 600, 800 and 1000 then there is the MES if you want to play further

cool-toxic · 04-08-2005, 19:13

scenario 1000:
we could use these maps:
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/maps/962germa.jpg
http://www.euratlas.com/big/1000big.jpg
http://faculty.juniata.edu/tuten/islamic/1000.jpg

mhusoy · 04-08-2005, 19:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by cool-toxic

Why not make a mod anyway?
it could be great i think there would be many that would help

Well.. it could be cool.. but as I am a European, non-muslim.. I wouldn't know too much about this would I...?

I suppose some of the muslims in this forum would help though.. I guess they know more about this than we do..?

But if I follow your earlier post..:

new map - definetely.. I guess that a world map would be the best.. as they never reached the Americas and Australia.. it was the dream of Muhammad though.. a map would cover the Middle-East with surrounding areas first and foremost.. but I guess we could add most of Europa, Africa and Asia..

other new graphic - yeah, the muslim cities and troops already in place would be a bit boring.. we would have needed more diversity.. luckily the islamic taste for geometrical patterns would add a great artistic touch to the game..

new scenarios - yes.. of course.. ranging from 600 to... the crusades and onward..? the conquest of Arabia done by Muhammad until about 630... after that the conquests of Middle-East, Nort Africa, Central Asia, Spain, India and later Indonesia..

new religions, yes.. more islamic sects (at least sunni and shia).. Judaism (there were tons of Jews in old Arabia), more Christian sects, like Nestorian, coptic, etc. and not to be forgotten, Zoroastranism.. which was all but wiped out when the muslims took Persia..

new cultures, - of course, Judean, Sabean, Syrian, Samarian, Coptic, Philistines... and varoius Africans which were assimilated by the Arabs..

new ai, yes.. and a smart AI this time..

new nations... yes, some of them exists as hidden revolters.. like Ummayad, Abbassid etc.. and the Crusaders..

and new events. yeah.. much to do here... at least if we want to cover the life of Muhammed.. which got maaany revelations which would suit EU2-eventcommands good...

it could be interesting..

mhusoy · 04-08-2005, 19:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by cool-toxic

scenario 1000:
we could use these maps:
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/maps/962germa.jpg
http://www.euratlas.com/big/1000big.jpg
http://faculty.juniata.edu/tuten/islamic/1000.jpg

Hey.. you're serious..

well, we would need to create a nice "alliance"..

I'm studying history this year.. also Ancient and Medieval..

what kind of background do you have..? we would need many skills.. not least making a playable map... the events, countries, leaders etc. would not be so hard...

another thing would be animations... techs. etc.. that would need to be remade...

it seems like a daunting task...

I know about soo much when it comes to coding and programming... sadly...
but some info on history, and idea of desing and gameplay I could help..

mhusoy · 04-08-2005, 19:28

of course we could keep the map.. but the terra incognita on the Arabian peninsula and in northern Africa is annoying... what about moving them to Europa in stead..??

but as the current map has far too few provinces in the Middle East... we have to change that..

mhusoy · 04-08-2005, 19:31

Maybe this should be moved to the "Scenarios, Events and Modifications " forum...??

can you do that moderator??

cool-toxic · 04-08-2005, 19:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhusoy

Well.. it could be cool.. but as I am a European, non-muslim.. I wouldn't know too much about this would I...?

I suppose some of the muslims in this forum would help though.. I guess they know more about this than we do..?

But if I follow your earlier post..:

new map - definetely.. I guess that a world map would be the best.. as they never reached the Americas and Australia.. it was the dream of Muhammad though.. a map would cover the Middle-East with surrounding areas first and foremost.. but I guess we could add most of Europa, Africa and Asia..

other new graphic - yeah, the muslim cities and troops already in place would be a bit boring.. we would have needed more diversity.. luckily the islamic taste for geometrical patterns would add a great artistic touch to the game..

new scenarios - yes.. of course.. ranging from 600 to... the crusades and onward..? the conquest of Arabia done by Muhammad until about 630... after that the conquests of Middle-East, Nort Africa, Central Asia, Spain, India and later Indonesia..

new religions, yes.. more islamic sects (at least sunni and shia).. Judaism (there were tons of Jews in old Arabia), more Christian sects, like Nestorian, coptic, etc. and not to be forgotten, Zoroastranism.. which was all but wiped out when the muslims took Persia..

new cultures, - of course, Judean, Sabean, Syrian, Samarian, Coptic, Philistines... and varoius Africans which were assimilated by the Arabs..

new ai, yes.. and a smart AI this time..

new nations... yes, some of them exists as hidden revolters.. like Ummayad, Abbassid etc.. and the Crusaders..

and new events. yeah.. much to do here... at least if we want to cover the life of Muhammed.. which got maaany revelations which would suit EU2-eventcommands good...

it could be interesting..

sounds great and i will look great sometime hehe.
well as i have said before count me in.
Okay first the religions we got 11 free religions.
###The Religion list###
Shia
Sunni
Sufism
Catholic
Judaism
coptic
Nestorian
Zoroastranism
Buddhism
hinduism
pagan

EDIT: if these are okay with you I can make the religions.bmp.

cool-toxic · 04-08-2005, 19:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhusoy

Hey.. you're serious..

well, we would need to create a nice "alliance"..

I'm studying history this year.. also Ancient and Medieval..

what kind of background do you have..? we would need many skills.. not least making a playable map... the events, countries, leaders etc. would not be so hard...

Well i´m good in history, making graphic (i can also make maps)
and scripting

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhusoy

another thing would be animations... techs. etc.. that would need to be remade...
it seems like a daunting task...
I know about soo much when it comes to coding and programming... sadly...
but some info on history, and idea of desing and gameplay I could help..

animations i don´t know anything about

04-08-2005, 17:58	#1
mhusoy Peaceful Crusader Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Trondheim, Norway Posts: 913	What about "Arabia Universalis".. It could be a great game, covering the rise of the islamic world.. from the early conquests of Muhammed in the Arabian peninsula, until 632 and onward when major parts of the planet were conquered by the excited muslims.. It could be an interesting variation.. because in this era, the Europeans were just primitive feudal societes.. things started to shift around year 1000, but Europe still had to wait 400 years until things started to happen here.. had it not been for the brave Franks in the west, and the Chinese in the east, the whole world could have been a part of the caliphate by now.. it could be a great game... covering 600 to about 1400(19..) EDITED 21-11-2005: http://rapidshare.de/files/7808482/A...salis.rar.html this is the link that Cool-Toxic gave me.. Last edited by mhusoy; 21-11-2005 at 17:30.

04-08-2005, 18:04	#2
Zanza Zivi Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,787	Hmm, I seriously doubt that such a game could be successful. Face it, Europeans and Americans are more interested in their own history than in the history of Arabia. Almost all computer games with a historical background are fairly focused on Europe (starting with Ancient Rome, medival times, Napoleon, World Wars) or America (Colonialization, ACW, World Wars). Exceptions such as Shogun are rare. __________________ Ich bin der Geist, der stets verneint! Und das mit Recht; denn alles, was entsteht, ist wert, dass es zugrunde geht; Drum besser wär's, dass nichts entstünde. So ist denn alles, was ihr Sünde, Zerstörung, kurz, das Böse nennt, Mein eigentliches Element.

04-08-2005, 18:12	#3
Mssr Roy Colonel Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 837	I could help you with Persia and Central Asia from about 1300 onward...a limited scope, I know, but all the same, it'd be one less thing you'd have to focus on. I can make tags and events, though not graphics. Though of course, the odds of a scenario that begins in the 7th century still having a reasonable accurate portrayal of the world by the 14th is incredibly small, so I dunno how useful I could be. __________________ Lithuania is teh win! A Lithuanian AAR - I WILL complete it by Christmas! Year 900 Scenario - Screw it, I don't care, just end the thing Letter sent to Roman Emperor Constantius II by Persian King Shapur II, the most modest ruler ever, in 359 AD: "Shapur, King of Kings, brother of the Sun and Moon, sends salutation... Your own authors are witness that the entire territory within the river Strymon and the borders of Macedon was once held by my forefathers; but because I take delight in moderation I shall be content to receive Mesopotamia and Armenia, which was fraudulently extorted from my grandfather. I give you warning that if my ambassador returns empty-handed I shall take the field against you, with all my armies, as soon as the winter is past." Last edited by Mssr Roy; 04-08-2005 at 18:30.

04-08-2005, 18:20	#4
cool-toxic Alexander Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Denmark Posts: 4,944	Great Link Post Arabia Universalis ID map. Maps: Europe Europe around 768-814 Europe around 962 East Europe around 850-1240 Francia around 486-768 Francia around 481-814 Francia around 768-900 Francia around 900-1180 Germany around 900-1137 Iberia around 531-711 Iberia around 711-1086 Italy around 711-900 Italy around 711 Italy around 900-1137 Middle East around 622-750 Middle East around 679-1019 Middle East around 750-945 Middle East around 945-1055 Scandinavia untill 1397 Cultures around 895 Christianity around 814 INFO: Mad King James' Ethiopia Info __________________ Development : Medieval Dynasties - CK Inspired Check the Forum Last edited by cool-toxic; 03-04-2009 at 14:37.

04-08-2005, 18:23	#5
cool-toxic Alexander Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Denmark Posts: 4,944	Well if you are planning making a 1000 year scenario then count me in I could make graphic and scripting. __________________ Development : Medieval Dynasties - CK Inspired Check the Forum

04-08-2005, 19:06	#11
Akritas Second Lieutenant Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Madrid Posts: 100	The MES (Mongol Empire Scenario) Mod covers the second half of this time span quite nicely .

04-08-2005, 19:10	#13
cool-toxic Alexander Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Denmark Posts: 4,944	it would be nice with three scenarios 600, 800 and 1000 then there is the MES if you want to play further __________________ Development : Medieval Dynasties - CK Inspired Check the Forum

04-08-2005, 19:13	#14
cool-toxic Alexander Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Denmark Posts: 4,944	scenario 1000: we could use these maps: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/maps/962germa.jpg http://www.euratlas.com/big/1000big.jpg http://faculty.juniata.edu/tuten/islamic/1000.jpg __________________ Development : Medieval Dynasties - CK Inspired Check the Forum

04-08-2005, 19:28	#17
mhusoy Peaceful Crusader Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Trondheim, Norway Posts: 913	of course we could keep the map.. but the terra incognita on the Arabian peninsula and in northern Africa is annoying... what about moving them to Europa in stead..?? but as the current map has far too few provinces in the Middle East... we have to change that..

04-08-2005, 19:31	#18
mhusoy Peaceful Crusader Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Trondheim, Norway Posts: 913	Maybe this should be moved to the "Scenarios, Events and Modifications " forum...?? can you do that moderator??