Scenario discussion: The Suez Crisis

[Lt Hilsdorf]

ok well I decieded to start some work on a new scenario about the Suez Crisis and I thought if I posted here maybe I could get some ideas. Anyway right now Ive made the basic scenario but no events or anything yet. If anyone wants to pitch in here are things I could use suggestions or help on

-OOB's (Already have some but if anyone has more that would be great)
Here are the ones Im using now
-http://orbat.com/site/history/historical/uk/operationkadesh.html
-http://orbat.com/site/history/historical/isreal/suezsinai1956airorbat.html
-Ideas for possible events
-What countries should be included (Right now I have Israel, Jordan, Britain and Egypt in)
-I need a good menu picture (I would make mine but the last one I made was terrible)

Thanks in advance for any help



Picture of Current map (NOT PICTURED: Malta, Cyprus)
(Sorry for the crappy map picture Ill update again sometime)

[Markusw7]

You need the british as you said, the french should also be involved.

[Lt Hilsdorf]

Originally Posted by Markusw7

You need the british as you said, the french should also be involved.

the British yes but Im not sure about the French. Yes they were heavily involved but I was thinking maybe I could just add the French Units to Britain and maybe use the "Allies" tag to represent them both.

[Markusw7]

Originally Posted by Lt Hilsdorf

the British yes but Im not sure about the French. Yes they were heavily involved but I was thinking maybe I could just add the French Units to Britain and maybe use the "Allies" tag to represent them both.

That definetely seems like a good solution, which provinces are going to belong to the Allies? Also i think that jerusalem should belong to Israel and not Jordan though that depends on who controls most of the province at the time.

[Lt Hilsdorf]

Originally Posted by Markusw7

That definetely seems like a good solution, which provinces are going to belong to the Allies? Also i think that jerusalem should belong to Israel and not Jordan though that depends on who controls most of the province at the time.

Right now its Malta, Cyprus and maybe Djibouti. as for jerusalem according to the map below alot of that territory, The West bank, was in Jordans hands untill the 1967 Six Day war. Im not sure of course but thats what the map seems to say.

[lock stock]

you have to include libya i belive since that is where the brits and french came from (the west) while the israelis came from the east. you also should include some us involvement and possibly soviet since both powers picked and chose sides in the war.

[KILLER BOB]

you should also include lebanon and parts of syria with the possibality of sea assult

[Lt Hilsdorf]

here is an updated map of the scenario



Im also considering including Britain and France as whole countries on the advice of Allenby. Its also good to note that he also has started his own Suez scenario and we have decided to combine efforts. right now i still need some stuff:

-a menu picture (if anyone has some time to make one that would be great)

-1956 OOB's for all the following countries (Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia Jordan)

if anyone has anything to contribute please speak up because any help would be great. Thanks.

[Zebedee]

http://homepages.force9.net/rothwell/trans-jo.htm

commander of legion after Gubb's dismissal (March 1956) was Maj-Gen Ali Abu Nuwar. Legion renamed to Jordan Arab Army.

[Lt Hilsdorf]

thanks alot for the link that will be helpful

[Zebedee]

from: http://www.scramble.nl/jo.htm

"Trans-Jordan set up her own flight for air operations. In the first place using only old and outdated aircraft, quite suitable for training and observation, but useless against modern, better equipped comb at machines of the other states in the region. By 1950, the flight consisted of a D.H.Rapide, 4 Percival Proctors, 2 D.H Tiger Moths and two Auster Autocrats. In may 1950, the Jordan government proposed to established a small air force, limited in shape and size to a training flight, plus a small Air Observation Post (A.O.P) squadron to consist of six Austers with photographic capability.

King Hussein recognized the vital need for adequate air support and decided to expand and acquire fighter jet aircraft. On September 25th 1955, the Arab Legion Air Force was renamed the Royal Jordanian Air Force (RJAF) after the United Kingdom's decision to donate nine Vampire jet fighter-bombers to Jordan. In April 1956, the command of the RJAF was transferred from the British to the Jordanians whereby Major Ibrahim Othman became the first Jordanian Air Force Commander. By 31 May 1957, Mafraq and Amman Air stations had been evacuated by the British and handed over to the RJAF."

[Zebedee]

What scale are you using for this scenario?

Just asking because Saudi army was only about 12 000 men at this time. National Guard was established in 56 and was of roughly the same size.

[Shadow Reaper]

Funny this really. I've just had a lecture on wars in the Middle East (primarily Israel against the Arab nations) and was pondering on doing on based on the Yom Kippur war. Might give it a go if it doesn't take too long.
Nice job with this one tho!

[Lt Hilsdorf]

Well I'm using divisions but depending on the size of the unit I change the manpower in it. For example if its a full division then I give it the full 100 MP (assuming it was at full strength in the OOB) and for brigades I lower according (maybe 3/4 the MP of the division), ect. Think thats a good way of doing it? oh and thanks for the help Zebedee. and thanks for the support Shadow Reaper.

[Zebedee]

I was just wondering because some of these nations will hardly appear at a divisional level, and regimental/battallion level OOBs will be hard to locate. They also won't have much in the way of an independent air force either.

Saudi information comes from CIA/Library of Congress records btw. National Guard was barely eligible as a military unit at this time - and would be under-equipped until 70s when US contractors went to Saudi Arabia to modernise the Guard.

Will root around a bit more but as you know, not much around in the way of OOBs for the peripheral nations.

Will be very interested in this when its finished. So all the best

[Lt Hilsdorf]

yuo Ive had problems trying to locate the needed OObs. Im guess I might have to make up some small forces to give the other nations

BTW if anyone is interested I should have a playable version up sometime this weekend. Still have alot of work on OOBs and events (both historical and unhistorical)

[Lt Hilsdorf]

ok well I worked all weekend to get this up and ready so here is the first mostly playable BETA of my scenario please be sure to read the README

The Suez Crisis BETA version .1

***Remember this requires the 'No Time Limit patch' which can easily be found around the forums (just search for it)***

[Shadow Reaper]

Did you mean to include the scenario.eug file in the zip cos I can't see it.

[Lt Hilsdorf]

wow that was stupid of me sorry try it again

[Shadow Reaper]

The minute i start the scenario, the end of the scenario scoreboard shows up, saying i've failed the scenario. So thats one problem to start of with!