Ministers

[Kaiser Franz]

Head of State: Nestor Makhno (Die hard reformer)

Head of Government: Nestor Makhno (Flamboyant Tough guy)

Minister of Security: Bill Shatov (crime fighter) or Nestor Makhno (Man of the people)

Minister of intellignce: L. Zin'Kovksy (logistics specialist or dismal enigma)

Chief of Staff: Ozerov (school of psychology) or Nestor Makhno (School of mass combat) or Fyodor Shuss (School of manouvre) or Belash (school of fire support)

Head of army: Nestor Makhno or Fyodor Shuss again, can't think of any proper traits for them thought.

hopes this helps! Pictures of some of the above people are in the leaders thread..

[Anzu]

Here's some info on finnish ministers with suggestions for traits with explenations:

Ruling Cabinet:

Head of State:
Pehr Svinhufvud (Benevolent Gentleman. Svinhufvud was a judge under the Russian czarist regime in Finland. He played a major part in the movement for Finnish independence and was banished (1914–17) to Siberia. On his return he headed the finnish imperial senate and proclaimed (Dec. 17th, 1917) the independence of Finland. Was very Germany-oriented, but was seen as the only possible Head of State emediatly after the independence.)

Head of Government:
Pehr Svinhufvud (Naive Optimist. As mentioned Svinhufvud was very Germany-oriented and a stern royalist. However, he had a difficult time to see that the people was republican in nature. He kept thing going good enough, but could not get the public to join up behind his canidate for the throne of Finland, a german prince. After some months the constitution determined Finland's status as a republic.)

Foreign Minister:
Otto Stenroth (Ideological Crusader. Finland's first foreign minister was an old president of a bank. He was well known for his organisational skills, but also a hardline believer the law as the only true measure of politics.)

Minister of Armament:
Juhani Arajärvi (Resource Industrialist. Arajärvi had been appointed into Svihufvud's senate as an advisor in finansial matters, due to him being the president of a bank and also sat on the board of severeal of Finland's biggest companies.)

Minister of Security:
Johan Castrén (Silent Lawyer. Castrén was appointed minister of the interior, but did not make too much noice about himself. A known independence-man and a veteran politician, but not much more.)

Head of Military Intelligence:
Onni Talas (Political Specialist. Talas was a veteran diplomate that had been stationed as ambassador in Madrid, Copenhagen, Rome, Budapest and Vienna)

Chief of Staff:
Carl Mannerheim (School of Defence. A veteran general from the Imperial Army. Led the white army in the war of independence.)

Chief of Army:
Carl Mannerheim (Decisive Battle Doctrine. During the war of independence Mannerheim was aware that a division of German veteran troops were about to be sent to his aid, but he insisted on the fact that Finland should be liberated by Finns, and thus tried to break the enemy troops in their stronghold Tampere before they arrived.)

Chief of Navy:
Vilho Nenonen. (Base Control Doctrine. Nenonen was an old imperial artilleryofficer that were put in command of the new cobined navy/coastal artillery.)

Chief of Air Force:
Carl Seber (Air Superiority Doctrine. Seber was a german captain that along with a score of german pilots were sent to Finland to improve the newly founded airforce.

[Allenby]

Kaiser Franz, thanks for the help with those various ministers. I shall add them.

Anzu, we have all the Finnish ministers already, but I'll change the list to incorporate the minister traits that you specify, and include any people that you mention who are not in the list at present.

[aussieboy]

Im a noob, but, perhaps I can help in an advisory role?

[Kaiser Franz]

there were 3 main periods of the UKraine, firstly there was the central Rada (1917-1918), then the german sponsored Hetmanate (just 1918) and then the Directory (1918-1921), i have ministers for each significant government, all you have to do is either have a sudden change of government event or some special specific ones...


Central Rada (April 1917 to April 1918)
Head of state: Mykhailo Seriiovych Hrushevsky (benevolent gentleman)
Head of Govt: Volodymyr Vynnchanko or Serhii Yefremov (slient workhorse for both)
Security: Mykola Chechel (crime fighter)
Intelliegnce: Oleksander Zhukovsky (logistics specialist)
Armaments: Mykhailo Yeremiiv (laissez faire capitalist)
Chief of Staff: Mykola Porsh (school of defence) or Symon Petlyura (school of fire support)
Army: B.Bobrovsky (Elastic defence), Oleksander Slyvynsky (decisive battle) or Oleksander Hrekov (guns and butter)

The Hetmanate (April 1918 to November 1918)
Head of state: Pavlo Skoropadsky (resigned generalismo)
Head of government: Fedir Lyzohub (silent workhorse)
Security: Fedir Lyzohub (man of the people) or Mykhailo Chubynsky (crime fighter)
Armaments: Yu Vagner (infantry proponant)
Intelligence: Dymtro Doroshenko (dismal enigma)
Chief of staff: V.Reinbot (school of fire support), Fedor Keller (school of mass combat) or Aleksander Rogoza (school of manouvre)
Army: Aleksander Rogoza (armoured spearhead)
Foreign : Dymtro Doroshenko (biassed intelliectual)

The Directory (November 1918 to 1921, after defeat at hands of Reds)
Head of state: Volodmyr Krylovych Vnnychenko (benevolent gentleman)
Head of government: Symon Vasylovych Petlyura (flamboyant tough guy)
Security: R.Z. Spravamy (compasionate gentleman)
Intelligence: Dymtro Doroshenko (dismal engima)
Chief of staff: Oleksander Hrekovor (school of manouvre) or Symon Vasylovych Petylura (school of fire support) or Aleksander Rogoza (school of manouvre) or Otaman Andrii Melnyk (school of defence)
Army: Aleksander Rogoza (armoured spearhead)

i'll try to find some pcitures of the men above, but its quite a tricky busniess....

[Halibutt]

Head of state: Mykhailo Seriiovych Hrushevsky (benevolent gentleman) - 1, 2

Also, you forgot of this guy for the Rada.

Head of Govt: Serhii Yefremov (slient workhorse) - 1 (right)

Head of state: Volodmyr Krylovych Vynnychenko (benevolent gentleman) - notice the typo you made: should be Vynnychenko, not Vnnychenko - 1, 2

Head of government: Symon Vasylovych Petlyura (flamboyant tough guy) - 1, 2, 3, 4 (with his govt, 5, 6, 7...

Also, there are several nice pages of the Ukrainian presidents:

• officials of the UPR
• others
• western Ukraine
• Rada

Now you like me?
Cheers

[Kaiser Franz]

like you...I LOVE YOU!

[Allenby]

Originally Posted by aussieboy

Im a noob, but, perhaps I can help in an advisory role?

What can you contribute?

[Shadow Knight]

I do believe there is a position for Allenby's toady/lackey/sychophant/errand-boy(or girl) open.

[Allenby]

Originally Posted by Shadow Knight

I do believe there is a position for Allenby's toady/lackey/sychophant/errand-boy(or girl) open.

We still need someone to draw the little grey spikes on the German infantry sprites' pickelhaubes.

Other than that, simply posting here and making suggestions should be useful enough.

[Sir Humphrey]

What about complimentry minion?

[Shadow Knight]

The minion status I believe falls to ZgB...although that could be the suicidal/homicidal thug slot I'm a bit unsure.

[aussieboy]

Originally Posted by Allenby

What can you contribute?

I have found a good site for finding rulers of nations, and also a great source for Foreign ministers. Don't know the traits though, perhaps there is need for an adviser on Great Power Minister traits?

Anyway, its: http://www.rulers.org/

Chinese warlords and leaders of the ROC (Post-Imperial China) 1914-1920http://www.rulers.org/ :

Military governors
Hubei
11 Oct 1911 - 30 Nov 1911 Li Yuanhong (b. 1864 - d. 1928)
Hunan
23 Oct 1911 - 31 Oct 1911 Jiao Dafeng
31 Oct 1911 - 30 Nov 1911 Tan Yankai (b. 1879 - d. 1930)
Shaanxi
23 Oct 1911 - 30 Nov 1911 Zhang Fenghui
Jiangxi
24 Oct 1911 - 2 Nov 1911 Ma Yubao
2 Nov 1911 - 12 Nov 1911 Wu Jiezhang
12 Nov 1911 - 30 Nov 1911 Peng Chengwan
Shanxi
29 Oct 1911 - 30 Nov 1911 Yan Xishan (b. 1883 - d. 1960)
Yunnan
30 Oct 1911 - 30 Nov 1911 Cai E (b. 1882 - d. 1916)
Shanghai (actually called itself Military Government of the Republic of China)
4 Nov 1911 - 30 Nov 1911 Chen Qimei (b. 1878 - d. 1916)
Zhejiang
4 Nov 1911 - 30 Nov 1911 Tang Shouqian
Guizhou
5 Nov 1911 - 30 Nov 1911 Yang Jincheng
Jiangsu
5 Nov 1911 - 30 Nov 1911 Cheng Dequan (b. 1860 - d. 1930)
Anhui
8 Nov 1911 - 28 Nov 1911 Zhu Jiabao (b. 18... - d. 1923)
28 Nov 1911 - 30 Nov 1911 Sun Yuyun
Guangxi
9 Nov 1911 - 30 Nov 1911 Shen Bingkun
Fujian
9 Nov 1911 - 30 Nov 1911 Sun Daoren
Guangdong
9 Nov 1911 - 30 Nov 1911 Hu Hanmin (b. 1879 - d. 1936)
Shandong
13 Nov 1911 - 30 Nov 1911 Sun Baoqi (b. 1867 - d. 1931)
Sichuan
22 Nov 1911 - 27 Nov 1911 Zhang Peijue
27 Nov 1911 - 30 Nov 1911 Pu Dianjun

Military governor (Central Military Government of the Republic of China)
30 Nov 1911 - 31 Dec 1911 Li Yuanhong (s.a.)

Presidents
1 Jan 1912 - 10 Mar 1912 Sun Yat-sen (provisional) (b. 1866 - d. 1925)
10 Mar 1912 - 22 Dec 1915 Yuan Shikai (1st time) (s.a.)
(provisional to 10 Oct 1913)

Emperor
22 Dec 1915 - 22 Mar 1916 Yuan Shikai (s.a.)
nianhao 1 Jan - 22 Mar 1916: Hongxian
Note: This attempt at imperial installation of Yuan Shikai was not formally consummated by an enthronement, and there are questions about its actual significance.

Presidents
22 Mar 1916 - 6 Jun 1916 Yuan Shikai (2nd time) (s.a.)
7 Jun 1916 - 1 Jul 1917 Li Yuanhong (1st time) (s.a.)
1 Jul 1917 - 12 Jul 1917 brief restoration of Great Qing Empire (see above)
12 Jul 1917 - 17 Jul 1917 Li Yuanhong (2nd time) (s.a.)
17 Jul 1917 - 10 Oct 1918 Feng Guozhang (b. 1859 - d. 1919)
10 Oct 1918 - 2 Jun 1922 Xu Shichang (b. 1855 - d. 1939)
2 Jun 1922 - 11 Jun 1922 Zhou Ziqi (acting) (b. 1871 - d. 1923)
11 Jun 1922 - 13 Jun 1923 Li Yuanhong (3rd time) (s.a.)
13 Jun 1923 - 9 Sep 1923 Zhang Shaozeng (acting) (b. 1870 - d. 19...)
9 Sep 1923 - 10 Oct 1923 Gao Lingwei (acting) (b. 1896 - d. bf.1953)
10 Oct 1923 - 2 Nov 1924 Cao Kun (b. 1862 - d. 1938)
2 Nov 1924 - 24 Nov 1924 Huang Fu (acting) (b. 1880 - d. 1936)
24 Nov 1924 - 20 Apr 1926 Duan Qirui (b. 1865 - d. 1936)
(provisional chief executive)
20 Apr 1926 - 13 May 1926 Hu Weide (acting) (b. 1871 - d. 19...)
13 May 1926 - 22 Jun 1926 Yan Huiqing (acting) (b. 1877 - d. 1950)
22 Jun 1926 - 1 Oct 1926 Du Xigui (acting) (b. 1875 - d. 19...)
1 Oct 1926 - 18 Jun 1927 Gu Weijun (acting) (b. 1887 - d. 1985)
18 Jun 1927 - 2 Jun 1928 Zhang Zuolin (b. 1873 - d. 1928)
(Generalissimo of the Military Government of China)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Premiers
13 Mar 1912 - 27 Jun 1912 Tang Shaoyi (b. 1860 - d. 1938)
29 Jun 1912 - 25 Sep 1912 Lu Zhengxiang (b. 1870 - d. 1949)
25 Sep 1912 - 1 May 1913 Zhao Bingjun
1 May 1913 - 31 Jul 1913 Duan Qirui (acting) (s.a.)
31 Jul 1913 - 12 Feb 1914 Xiong Xiling (b. 1870 - d. 1941)
12 Feb 1914 - 1 May 1914 Sun Baoqi (acting) (s.a.)

Secretaries of state
1 May 1914 - Dec 1915 Xu Shichang (1st time) (s.a.)
Dec 1915 - 22 Mar 1916 Lu Zhengxiang (acting) (s.a.)
22 Mar 1916 - 23 Apr 1916 Xu Shichang (2nd time) (s.a.)
23 Apr 1916 - 29 Jun 1916 Duan Qirui (s.a.)
Premiers
29 Jun 1916 - 23 May 1917 Duan Qirui (1st time) (s.a.)
23 May 1917 - 28 May 1917 Wu Tingfang (acting) (b. 1842 - d. 1922)
28 May 1917 - 2 Jun 1917 Li Jingxi (1st time)
2 Jun 1917 - 12 Jun 1917 Xu Shichang (s.a.)
12 Jun 1917 - 24 Jun 1917 Jiang Zhaozong (acting) (b. 1863 - d. 19...)
24 Jun 1917 - 1 Jul 1917 Li Jingxi (2nd time)
14 Jul 1917 - 30 Nov 1917 Duan Qirui (2nd time) (s.a.)
30 Nov 1917 - 23 Mar 1918 Weng Shizhen (acting) (b. 1861 - d. 1930)
23 Mar 1918 - 10 Oct 1918 Duan Qirui (3rd time) (s.a.)
10 Oct 1918 - 13 Jun 1919 Qian Nengxun (b. 1870 - d. 19...)
13 Jun 1919 - 24 Sep 1919 Gong Xinzhan (acting)
24 Sep 1919 - 14 May 1920 Jin Yunpeng (1st time) (b. 1877 - d. 1925)
(acting to 5 Nov 1919)
14 May 1920 - 9 Aug 1920 Sa Zhenbing (acting) (b. 1859 - d. 1952)
9 Aug 1920 - 18 Dec 1921 Jin Yunpeng (2nd time) (acting) (s.a.)
18 Dec 1921 - 24 Dec 1921 Yan Huiqing (1st time) (s.a.)
24 Dec 1921 - 25 Jan 1922 Liang Shiyi (b. 1869 - d. 1933)
25 Jan 1922 - 8 Apr 1922 Yan Huiqing (2nd time) (acting) (s.a.)
8 Apr 1922 - 11 Jun 1922 Zhou Ziqi (acting) (s.a.)
11 Jun 1922 - 5 Aug 1922 Yan Huiqing (3rd time) (s.a.)
5 Aug 1922 - 29 Nov 1922 Wang Chonghui (acting) (b. 1881 - d. 1958)
29 Nov 1922 - 11 Dec 1922 Wang Daxie (b. 1860? - d. 19...)
11 Dec 1922 - 4 Jan 1923 Wang Zhengting (b. 1882 - d. 1961)
4 Jan 1923 - 9 Sep 1923 Zhang Shaozeng (s.a.)
9 Sep 1923 - 12 Jan 1924 Gao Lingwei (acting) (s.a.)
12 Jan 1924 - 14 Sep 1924 Sun Baoqi (s.a.)
14 Sep 1924 - 31 Oct 1924 Yan Huiqing (4th time) (s.a.)
2 Nov 1924 - 24 Nov 1924 Huang Fu (acting) (s.a.)
26 Dec 1925 - 4 Mar 1926 Xu Shiying (b. 1873 - d. 1964)
4 Mar 1926 - 20 Apr 1926 Jia Deyao
20 Apr 1926 - 13 May 1926 Hu Weide (acting) (s.a.)
13 May 1926 - 22 Jun 1926 Yan Huiqing (5th time) (s.a.)
22 Jun 1926 - 1 Oct 1926 Du Xigui (acting) (s.a.)
1 Oct 1926 - 18 Jun 1927 Gu Weijun (acting) (s.a.)
18 Jun 1927 - 2 Jun 1928 Pan Fu (b. 1871 - d. 19...)
"Independent" military governments in 1913
Military governors
Jiangsu
15 Jul 1913 - 29 Jul 1913 Cheng Dequan (b. 1860 - d. 1930)
Anhui
17 Jul 1913 - 7 Aug 1913 Bo Wenwei (b. 1875 - d. 1947)
Guangdong
18 Jul 1913 - 3 Aug 1913 Chen Jiongming (b. 1878 - d. 1933)
Hunan
25 Jul 1913 - 13 Aug 1913 Tan Yankai (s.a.)
"Independent" military governments in 1916
Military governors
Yunnan
1 Jan 1916 - 8 May 1916 Tang Jiyao (b. 1881 - d. 1927)
Guizhou
27 Jan 1916 - 8 May 1916 Liu Xianshi
Guangxi
15 Mar 1916 - 8 May 1916 Lu Rongting (b. 1856 - d. 1927)
Guangdong
6 Apr 1916 - 8 May 1916 Long Jiguang (b. 1860 - d. 1921)
Zhejiang
12 Apr 1916 - 8 May 1916 Lu Gongwang
These came together under an umbrella government:

Chairman of the Military Affairs Council
8 May 1916 - 14 Jul 1916 Tang Jiyao (s.a.)

"Independent" military governments in 1917

Military governors
Anhui
29 May 1917 - 22 Jun 1917 Ni Sichong
Shaanxi
29 May 1917 - 22 Jun 1917 Chen Shufan
Fengtian
May 1917 - 22 Jun 1917 Zhang Zuolin (s.a.)
Shandong
May 1917 - 22 Jun 1917 Zhang Huaizhi (b. 1860 - d. 19...)
Fujian
May 1917 - 22 Jun 1917 Li Houji
Henan
May 1917 - 22 Jun 1917 Zhao Ti (b. 1871 - d. 19...)
Zhejiang
May 1917 - 22 Jun 1917 Yang Shande
Zhili
May 1917 - 22 Jun 1917 Cao Kun (s.a.)

[aussieboy]

Hope this helps!

[Allenby]

Originally Posted by aussieboy

Hope this helps!

Thanks. It helped in TGW, so I don't doubt that it will be of help to us once again. A quite well known and useful site.

[aussieboy]

Australian ministers:

- External Affairs(Foreign ministers) -

1 Jan 1901 - 24 Sep 1903 Edmund Barton (from 1902,
Sir Edmund Barton) (b. 1849 - d. 1920)
24 Sep 1903 - 27 Apr 1904 Alfred Deakin (1st time) (b. 1856 - d. 1919)
27 Apr 1904 - 17 Aug 1904 William Morris Hughes (1st time) (b. 1864 - d. 1952)
18 Aug 1904 - 5 Jul 1905 George Houston Reid (b. 1848 - d. 1918)
5 Jul 1905 - 13 Nov 1908 Alfred Deakin (2nd time) (s.a.)
13 Nov 1908 - 2 Jun 1909 Egerton Lee Batchelor (1st time) (b. 1865 - d. 1911)
2 Jun 1909 - 29 Apr 1910 Littleton Ernest Groom (b. 1867 - d. 1936)
29 Apr 1910 - 8 Oct 1911 Egerton Lee Batchelor (2nd time) (s.a.)
14 Oct 1911 - 24 Jun 1913 Josiah Thomas (b. 1863 - d. 1933)
24 Jun 1913 - 17 Sep 1914 Patrick McMahon Glynn (1st time) (b. 1855 - d. 1931)
17 Sep 1914 - 9 Dec 1914 John Andrew Arthur (b. 1875 - d. 1914)
14 Dec 1914 - 14 Nov 1916 Hugh Mahon (b. 1858 - d. 1931)
14 Nov 1916 - 17 Feb 1917 Frederick William Bamford (acting) (b. 1849 - d. 1934)
17 Feb 1917 - 10 Jan 1918 Patrick McMahon Glynn (2nd time) (s.a.)
(acting)
10 Jan 1918 - 9 Feb 1923 William Morris Hughes (2nd time) (s.a.)

More might come later

[aussieboy]

Originally Posted by Shadow Knight

I do believe there is a position for Allenby's toady/lackey/sychophant/errand-boy(or girl) open.

I'm a guy! You insult me, Shadow knight! Grr!

[Allenby]

Originally Posted by aussieboy

More might come later

AST;Ruling Cabinet - Start;Name;Pool;Ideology;Personality;Loyalty;Picturename;x
89001;Head of State;George V;1914;ML SL SD;Stern Imperialist;High;george_v_eng;x
89002;Head of Government;Joseph Cook;1914;ML;Silent Workhorse;High;unknown;x
89003;Foreign Minister;Patrick Glynn;1914;ML;Great Compromiser;Very High;unknown;x
89004;Minister of Armament;Blue Shadow;1914;ML;Undistinguished Suit;High;unknown;x
89005;Minister of Security;Blue Shadow;1914;ML;Undistinguished Suit;Very High;unknown;x
89006;Head of Military Intelligence;Blue Shadow;1914;ML;Undistinguished Suit;Very High;unknown;x
89007;Chief of Staff;Joseph Gordon;1914;ML;School of Mass Combat;Undying;unknown;x
89008;Chief of Army;Joseph Gordon;1914;ML;Decisive Battle Doctrine;Low;unknown;x
89009;Chief of Navy;W.R. Creswell;1914;ML;Decisive Naval Battle Doctrine;Very High;creswell_wr_ast;x
89010;Chief of Air Force;Under Army Command;1914;ML;Undistinguished Suit;Very High;unknown;x
;Replacements;;;;;;;x
89011;Chief of Staff;Gordon Legge;1914;ML;School of Maneuver;Undying;legge_gordon_ast;x
89012;Chief of Army;Gordon Legge;1914;ML;Elastic Defense Doctrine;Low;legge_gordon_ast;x
89013;Chief of Staff;Godfrey Irving;1915;ML;School of Fire Support;Undying;unknown;x
89014;Chief of Army;Godfrey Irving;1915;ML;Guns and Butter Doctrine;Low;unknown;x
89015;Chief of Staff;Sir Brudenell White;1920;ML;School of Psychology;Undying;white_brudenell_ast;x
89016;Chief of Army;Sir Brudenell White;1920;ML;Elastic Defense Doctrine;Low;white_brudenell_ast;x
89017;Chief of Staff;Sir Harry Chauvel;1923;ML;School of Maneuver;Undying;chauvel_harry_ast;x
89018;Chief of Army;Sir Harry Chauvel;1923;ML;Decisive Battle Doctrine;Low;chauvel_harry_ast;x

This is the Australian minister list from TGW, which no one (including me) could be bothered to finish, partly because Australia isn't even in the game in 1914.

If you are looking for something to do, then you can complete the list up to the end of 1924.

[Sir Humphrey]

technically Australia had no external minister until 1945, which was Doctor Everette. Basically the Prime Minister would represent Australia abroad. (that was part of my international studies course).

[aussieboy]

Thanx, Allenby here are your requested Foreign ministers:

10 Jan 1918 - 9 Feb 1923 William Morris Hughes (2nd time) (s.a.)
9 Feb 1923 - 22 Oct 1929 Stanley Melbourne Bruce (b. 1883 - d. 1967)