Bridge from Kazan to Igrim

WiSK · 17-09-2004, 00:25

Inspired by Inferis, I hacked the adjacent.tbl file to provide a land bridge between Kazan and Igrim. It seems to work, even though it leaves some artefacts around the borders of the two provinces. I have PM'd Johan for advice, but in the meantime perhaps some of you would do me the service of testing my hack?

First, here is a picture

Second, the download (EDIT: new filename)

Third, in the zip is the file adjacent.tbl which needs to go in a folder called Map in the AGCEEP folder. For example, on my computer it is in C:\Games\Europa Universalis 2\AGCEEP\Map.

Doktarr has recently posted some new AI-helping events for Russia in the regional thread, so if you would be so kind as to help us test if the AI now can make use of the new route

EDIT: a full version of the map can now be found here:
http://www.itworks.sk/wisk/

Khephren · 17-09-2004, 03:33

The red lines are an unpleasent side effect.....can't be removed.

WiSK · 17-09-2004, 05:11

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Originally Posted by Khephren

The red lines are an unpleasent side effect.....can't be removed.

Red lines? Please post a screenie. What I'm getting is a thin line of Terra Incognita, next to the provinces along the River Volga and the Ural River.

WiSK · 17-09-2004, 05:14

Or are you commenting on the big red lines in my screenshot? Because those are, an army moving from Kazan to Igrim and back again

Neuro · 17-09-2004, 06:15

It doesn't look good but it certainly does the job

However I think it would be necessary to remove the knowledge of Igrim from Kazan and Golden Horde to ensure that they won't colonize there.

almoravid · 17-09-2004, 09:20

...or make them innovative mercantilist land people. The knowledge is nice as then russians wouldn't have to discover it, but would get it on Kazan conquest. I hate to guess where the prov is estimated to be.

Polak · 17-09-2004, 09:42

Or possibly create the State of Viatka (assimilated by Muscowy in 1489).

But there is a risk of early colonisation along the Ob River

Sikker · 17-09-2004, 10:30

Should this not be included in the new AGCEEP patch? We've been crying for this connection for so long!

Dawkins · 17-09-2004, 11:39

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Originally Posted by almoravid

...or make them innovative mercantilist land people. The knowledge is nice as then russians wouldn't have to discover it, but would get it on Kazan conquest.

That seems like an extremely good idea

WiSK · 17-09-2004, 12:22

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Originally Posted by Sikker

Should this not be included in the new AGCEEP patch? We've been crying for this connection for so long!

No, it really does need a period of testing. I do not want to be responsible for CTDs and there is still a big chance that I can get rid of the TI artefacts that are now making the rivers look weird.

Also, we have to decide whether movement across the bridge should count as movement across a river or not.

Neuro · 17-09-2004, 12:35

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Originally Posted by WiSK

Also, we have to decide whether movement across the bridge should count as movement across a river or not.

I think it should. The TI between Kazan and Igrim represents the Ural Mountains. I think it's quite a rough (spelled if correctly?

) terrain and there are numerous rivers there (at elast when I look in the map

). So crossing that "magic bridge" should cost as much (or even more, but I don't know if it can be done) as crossing Wolga.

Isaac Brock · 17-09-2004, 13:23

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Originally Posted by almoravid

...or make them innovative mercantilist land people. The knowledge is nice as then russians wouldn't have to discover it, but would get it on Kazan conquest. I hate to guess where the prov is estimated to be.

Russia has conquistadors to discover the province. Clicking around shouldn't be too hard, although I guess we'll have to see.Kazan really need to not have knowledge of the province.

I'd also increase the movement time for Igrim so as to slow movement into that province. Pretend it's halfway through the PTI, so it takes much longer to move into from either side.

WiSK · 17-09-2004, 15:57

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Originally Posted by Isaac Brock

I'd also increase the movement time for Igrim so as to slow movement into that province. Pretend it's halfway through the PTI, so it takes much longer to move into from either side.

The only thing I can change regarding movement time is whether or not the game considers there to be a river between the two provinces. I have a suspicion that this is what is causing the graphical artefacts. Unless there is another way to set movement times, we're stuck with this. Perhaps making both provinces into mountains, does that slow movement enough?

WiSK · 17-09-2004, 16:00

Oh, another thing. I did try adding several little straits graphics between Kazan and Igrim. In order to show the human player there is a connection. However, the game doesn't show the straits graphic in the PTI. So maybe there's another way to put extra graphics in that area?

Isaac Brock · 17-09-2004, 17:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiSK

The only thing I can change regarding movement time is whether or not the game considers there to be a river between the two provinces. I have a suspicion that this is what is causing the graphical artefacts. Unless there is another way to set movement times, we're stuck with this. Perhaps making both provinces into mountains, does that slow movement enough?

Mountains slows movement into the mountain province. But Kazan really shouldn't be mountains.

I was sugestign changing the 'Size Modifier' in province.csv.

WiSK · 17-09-2004, 21:01

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Originally Posted by Isaac Brock

I was sugestign changing the 'Size Modifier' in province.csv.

Size Modifier is zero for all provinces in my copy of province.csv - can you tell me more about what this should do?

WiSK · 17-09-2004, 23:01

Some more observations...

Removing the 'river' between Kazan and Igrim does not solve the graphical problem. Obviously, it does shorten the time to travel between the provinces.

Setting values for SizeModifier in province.csv makes the journey longer into a province. It seems to take an extra 9 days when SizeModifier=1. This is great for moving between Kazan and Igrim. However, it also takes extra time to travel from anywhere else, i.e. Ufa to Kazan, and Pimsk to Igrim are also 9 days longer.

Khephren · 17-09-2004, 23:55

I believe size modifier can be negative aswell

WiSK · 18-09-2004, 03:46

I just realised that Tanone already made a tool to make new connections in adjacent.tbl and his program is much nicer than mine

I spent ages writing that, but it was not the breakthrough I thought it was

WiSK · 18-09-2004, 13:33

I will continue to talk to myself

Seems that to get rid of the graphical artefacts - providing I understand Inferis' explanation of the lightmap files correctly - that I would need to add a 'border' between Kazan and Igrim. Possibly that is not even enough. Since I'm telling the game that Kazan-Igrim is a river crossing, I might even need to add a section to the Volga as well. It won't need to be contiguous with the rest of the Volga; I could shove it into the middle of the PTI. It also only needs to be 12 pixels wide, i.e. 4 pixels of Kazan-border, 4 pixels of River, 4 pixels of Igrim-border. Why 4 pixels? Because it needs to exist in lightmap3.tbl as well and that has zoom factor x4.

17-09-2004, 00:25	#1
WiSK Major Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Den Haag, Netherlands Posts: 602	Bridge from Kazan to Igrim Inspired by Inferis, I hacked the adjacent.tbl file to provide a land bridge between Kazan and Igrim. It seems to work, even though it leaves some artefacts around the borders of the two provinces. I have PM'd Johan for advice, but in the meantime perhaps some of you would do me the service of testing my hack? First, here is a picture Second, the download (EDIT: new filename) Third, in the zip is the file adjacent.tbl which needs to go in a folder called Map in the AGCEEP folder. For example, on my computer it is in C:\Games\Europa Universalis 2\AGCEEP\Map. Doktarr has recently posted some new AI-helping events for Russia in the regional thread, so if you would be so kind as to help us test if the AI now can make use of the new route EDIT: a full version of the map can now be found here: http://www.itworks.sk/wisk/ Last edited by WiSK; 08-10-2004 at 19:10.

17-09-2004, 03:33	#2
Khephren Watery Tart Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,249	The red lines are an unpleasent side effect.....can't be removed. __________________ It's true that every time you hear a bell, an angel gets its wings. But what they don't tell you is that every time you hear a mouse trap snap, and Angel gets set on fire.

17-09-2004, 06:15	#5
Neuro Captain Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 15 VII 1410 Tannenberg... right flank Posts: 358	It doesn't look good but it certainly does the job However I think it would be necessary to remove the knowledge of Igrim from Kazan and Golden Horde to ensure that they won't colonize there. __________________ War is not about who is right, it's about who is left. Anders Russel

17-09-2004, 09:42	#7
Polak Et Léonard devint ch'ti Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Plaine de la Bière.... Si,si Posts: 2,757	Or possibly create the State of Viatka (assimilated by Muscowy in 1489). But there is a risk of early colonisation along the Ob River __________________ On dit, sire, que c'est vous qui avez imaginé le partage de la Pologne. Je le crois parce que il y a là du génie. (Voltaire à Frederic II, 18/11/1774) Toute aide appréciée pour un mod EU2 (et oui !!) : ici appréciez :votre horoscope ch'ti : ICI

17-09-2004, 10:30	#8
Sikker Lt. General Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Odense, Denmark Posts: 1,523	Should this not be included in the new AGCEEP patch? We've been crying for this connection for so long! __________________ Scandinavians unite!

17-09-2004, 05:14	#4
WiSK Major Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Den Haag, Netherlands Posts: 602	Or are you commenting on the big red lines in my screenshot? Because those are, an army moving from Kazan to Igrim and back again

17-09-2004, 09:20	#6
almoravid Colonel Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,104	...or make them innovative mercantilist land people. The knowledge is nice as then russians wouldn't have to discover it, but would get it on Kazan conquest. I hate to guess where the prov is estimated to be.

17-09-2004, 16:00	#14
WiSK Major Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Den Haag, Netherlands Posts: 602	Oh, another thing. I did try adding several little straits graphics between Kazan and Igrim. In order to show the human player there is a connection. However, the game doesn't show the straits graphic in the PTI. So maybe there's another way to put extra graphics in that area?

17-09-2004, 23:01	#17
WiSK Major Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Den Haag, Netherlands Posts: 602	Some more observations... Removing the 'river' between Kazan and Igrim does not solve the graphical problem. Obviously, it does shorten the time to travel between the provinces. Setting values for SizeModifier in province.csv makes the journey longer into a province. It seems to take an extra 9 days when SizeModifier=1. This is great for moving between Kazan and Igrim. However, it also takes extra time to travel from anywhere else, i.e. Ufa to Kazan, and Pimsk to Igrim are also 9 days longer.

17-09-2004, 23:55	#18
Khephren Watery Tart Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,249	I believe size modifier can be negative aswell __________________ It's true that every time you hear a bell, an angel gets its wings. But what they don't tell you is that every time you hear a mouse trap snap, and Angel gets set on fire.

18-09-2004, 03:46	#19
WiSK Major Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Den Haag, Netherlands Posts: 602	I just realised that Tanone already made a tool to make new connections in adjacent.tbl and his program is much nicer than mine I spent ages writing that, but it was not the breakthrough I thought it was

18-09-2004, 13:33	#20
WiSK Major Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Den Haag, Netherlands Posts: 602	I will continue to talk to myself Seems that to get rid of the graphical artefacts - providing I understand Inferis' explanation of the lightmap files correctly - that I would need to add a 'border' between Kazan and Igrim. Possibly that is not even enough. Since I'm telling the game that Kazan-Igrim is a river crossing, I might even need to add a section to the Volga as well. It won't need to be contiguous with the rest of the Volga; I could shove it into the middle of the PTI. It also only needs to be 12 pixels wide, i.e. 4 pixels of Kazan-border, 4 pixels of River, 4 pixels of Igrim-border. Why 4 pixels? Because it needs to exist in lightmap3.tbl as well and that has zoom factor x4.