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15-09-2002, 13:27
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Huangdi
Join Date: Jul 2002
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Historical Treaty of Nerchinsk
I dont know if anyone is aware of this, but the Treaty of Nerchinsk as it currently stands is actually grossly inaccurate. The treaty didnt, according to the current version, secede Manchuria to China, as Manchuria was in firm control by Qing at that time, which was at a position of tremendous strength at that time, only just having conquered China from Manchuria 40 odd years ago. What the treaty really did historically, was to secede the whole Amur valley region (south of the Stanovoj ranges, called Outer Hing An Ranges by China) to China, as Russian attempts at building fort Albazin on the region was repelled by the Manchus, and in return Russia was effectively recognised for its interests in the Baikal Lake region. So I suggest the event be changed as follows:
There are 3 versions of the event : version 1 where russia is weakest, version 3 where russia is strongest. To explain the territorial effects of the versions of the event, it is best to have a look at this diagram  version 1 of the event will fire if, when Russia establishes a border with China, Russia owns any province in area A but not any province in areas B or C. China will gain all russian provinces plus shields south of the green line while Russia will gain all chinese provices plus shields north of the green line BUT NOT those in areas B or C. version 2 will fire if, when Russia establishes a border with China, Russia owns any one province in area A AND any one province in area B, but no provinces in area C. China will gain all russian provinces plus shields south of the green line while Russia will gain all chinese provices plus shields north of the green line. version 3 will fire if, when Russia establishes a border with China, Russia owns any one province in area A AND any one province in area C, regardless of area B. China and Russia MAY gain the same provinces and shields as version 2, but Russia is more likely to reject the treaty. China will decide first whether to offer the treaty: Code:
#The Treaty of Nerchinsk version 1#
event = {
id = 49900
trigger = {
neighbour = RUS
NOT = {
war = {
country = RUS
country = CHI
}
}
AND = {
OR = {
control = { province = 605 data = RUS }
control = { province = 606 data = RUS }
control = { province = 607 data = RUS }
control = { province = 608 data = RUS }
control = { province = 609 data = RUS }
control = { province = 610 data = RUS }
control = { province = 611 data = RUS }
}
}
NOT = {
OR = {
control = { province = 612 data = RUS }
control = { province = 613 data = RUS }
control = { province = 614 data = RUS }
control = { province = 615 data = RUS }
control = { province = 616 data = RUS }
control = { province = 617 data = RUS }
control = { province = 623 data = RUS }
control = { province = 624 data = RUS }
control = { province = 627 data = RUS }
control = { province = 628 data = RUS }
control = { province = 629 data = RUS }
control = { province = 630 data = RUS }
control = { province = 631 data = RUS }
control = { province = 632 data = RUS }
control = { province = 633 data = RUS }
control = { province = 634 data = RUS }
control = { province = 1467 data = RUS }
control = { province = 1468 data = RUS }
}
}
}
random = no
country = CHI
name = "Initiating the Treaty of Nerchinsk"
desc = "The Russians are sneaking into our borders with suspicious intents. Should we offer them a treaty to make clear our respective borders?"
style = 3
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1820 }
action_a ={ #Offer the Treaty#
name = "Yes, we need to clarify the issue"
command = { type = trigger which = 3421 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = 50 }
command = { type = diplomats value = -2 }
command = { type = vp value = 20 }
command = { type = DIP which = 2 value = 180 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 49901 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 49902 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 651 }
command = { type = trigger which = 49906 }
}
action_b ={ #Do not offer the Treaty#
name = "No, it will be a waste of our efforts to deal with the untrustworthy Russians"
command = { type = relation which = RUS value = -100 }
command = { type = casusbelli which = RUS value = 100 }
command = { type = DIP which = -1 value = 120 }
command = { type = vp value = -20 }
command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = -1 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 49901 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 49902 }
}
}
#The Treaty of Nerchinsk version 2#
event = {
id = 49901
trigger = {
neighbour = RUS
NOT = {
war = {
country = RUS
country = CHI
}
}
AND = {
OR = {
control = { province = 605 data = RUS }
control = { province = 606 data = RUS }
control = { province = 607 data = RUS }
control = { province = 608 data = RUS }
control = { province = 609 data = RUS }
control = { province = 610 data = RUS }
control = { province = 611 data = RUS }
}
}
AND = {
OR = {
control = { province = 612 data = RUS }
control = { province = 613 data = RUS }
control = { province = 623 data = RUS }
control = { province = 631 data = RUS }
control = { province = 632 data = RUS }
control = { province = 1467 data = RUS }
control = { province = 1468 data = RUS }
}
}
NOT = {
OR = {
control = { province = 614 data = RUS }
control = { province = 615 data = RUS }
control = { province = 616 data = RUS }
control = { province = 617 data = RUS }
control = { province = 624 data = RUS }
control = { province = 627 data = RUS }
control = { province = 628 data = RUS }
control = { province = 629 data = RUS }
control = { province = 630 data = RUS }
control = { province = 633 data = RUS }
control = { province = 634 data = RUS }
}
}
}
random = no
country = CHI
name = "Initiating the Treaty of Nerchinsk"
desc = "The Russians are sneaking into our borders with suspicious intents. Should we offer them a treaty to make clear our respective borders?"
style = 3
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1820 }
action_a ={ #Offer the Treaty#
name = "Yes, we need to clarify the issue"
command = { type = trigger which = 49903 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = 50 }
command = { type = diplomats value = -2 }
command = { type = vp value = 20 }
command = { type = DIP which = 2 value = 180 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 49900 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 49902 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 651 }
command = { type = trigger which = 49906 }
}
action_b ={ #Do not offer the Treaty#
name = "No, it will be a waste of our efforts to deal with the untrustworthy Russians"
command = { type = relation which = RUS value = -100 }
command = { type = casusbelli which = RUS value = 100 }
command = { type = DIP which = -1 value = 120 }
command = { type = vp value = -20 }
command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = -1 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 49900 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 49902 }
}
}
#The Treaty of Nerchinsk version 3#
event = {
id = 49902
trigger = {
neighbour = RUS
NOT = {
war = {
country = RUS
country = CHI
}
}
AND = {
OR = {
control = { province = 605 data = RUS }
control = { province = 606 data = RUS }
control = { province = 607 data = RUS }
control = { province = 608 data = RUS }
control = { province = 609 data = RUS }
control = { province = 610 data = RUS }
control = { province = 611 data = RUS }
}
}
AND = {
OR = {
control = { province = 614 data = RUS }
control = { province = 615 data = RUS }
control = { province = 616 data = RUS }
control = { province = 617 data = RUS }
control = { province = 624 data = RUS }
control = { province = 627 data = RUS }
control = { province = 628 data = RUS }
control = { province = 629 data = RUS }
control = { province = 630 data = RUS }
control = { province = 633 data = RUS }
control = { province = 634 data = RUS }
}
}
}
random = no
country = CHI
name = "Initiating the Treaty of Nerchinsk"
desc = "The Russians are sneaking into our borders with suspicious intents. Should we offer them a treaty to make clear our respective borders?"
style = 3
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1419 }
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1820 }
action_a ={ #Offer the Treaty#
name = "Yes, we need to clarify the issue"
command = { type = trigger which = 49904 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = 50 }
command = { type = diplomats value = -2 }
command = { type = vp value = 20 }
command = { type = DIP which = 2 value = 180 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 49900 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 49901 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 651 }
command = { type = trigger which = 49906 }
}
action_b ={ #Do not offer the Treaty#
name = "No, it will be a waste of our efforts to deal with the untrustworthy Russians"
command = { type = relation which = RUS value = -100 }
command = { type = casusbelli which = RUS value = 100 }
command = { type = DIP which = -1 value = 120 }
command = { type = vp value = -20 }
command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = -1 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 49900 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 49901 }
}
}
Then Russia will decide whether to accept the treaty: Code:
#The Treaty of Nerchinsk#
event = {
id = 3421 #Triggered by CHI49900#
random = no
country = RUS
name = "EVENTNAME3421"
desc = "Russian exploration and colonization of Siberia started under Ivan the Terrible. By the end of the 17th century, most of eastern
Siberia was discovered (the Amur basin was explored by Khabarov in the 1650s and Kamchatka was reached in 1679). In 1689, a Russo-Chinese
border conflict was settled by the first Chinese-European agreement, the Treaty of Nerchinsk, wherein it was recognised that the Amur
basin laid within Chinese borders while the Baikal Lake region belonged to Russia. In 1727, the Kyakhta treaty would even make provisions
for a Russian trading station to be established in Peking, the capital of the new Manchu dynasty (1644-1911)."
style = 3
action_a ={ #Accept the Treaty#
name = "ACTIONNAME3421A"
command = { type = trigger which = 3705 }
command = { type = relation which = CHI value = 200 }
command = { type = stability value = 2 }
command = { type = colonists value = 4 }
command = { type = merchants value = 3 }
command = { type = diplomats value = -2 }
command = { type = vp value = 25 }
command = { type = trade value = 1000 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 609 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 611 }
command = { type = population which = 591 value = 1000 }
command = { type = population which = 600 value = 1500 }
command = { type = population which = 601 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 602 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 603 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 604 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 605 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 606 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 607 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 608 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 610 value = 350 }
command = { type = addcore which = 603 }
command = { type = addcore which = 604 }
command = { type = addcore which = 605 }
command = { type = addcore which = 606 }
command = { type = addcore which = 607 }
command = { type = addcore which = 608 }
command = { type = addcore which = 610 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 272 }
command = { type = trigger which = 49907 }
}
action_b ={ #Reject the Treaty offered by the arrogant Chinese#
name = "Reject the Treaty offered by the arrogant Chinese"
command = { type = trigger which = 3793 }
command = { type = relation which = CHI value = -350 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = -75 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = -75 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = -75 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = -75 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = -75 }
command = { type = diplomats value = -2 }
command = { type = colonists value = -2 }
command = { type = DIP which = -2 value = 144 }
command = { type = casusbelli which = CHI value = 24 }
command = { type = stability value = -2 }
command = { type = vp value = -30 }
command = { type = war which = CHI }
command = { type = trade value = -1000 }
command = { type = addcore which = 603 }
command = { type = addcore which = 604 }
command = { type = addcore which = 605 }
command = { type = addcore which = 606 }
command = { type = addcore which = 607 }
command = { type = addcore which = 608 }
command = { type = addcore which = 609 }
command = { type = addcore which = 610 }
command = { type = addcore which = 611 }
command = { type = addcore which = 612 }
command = { type = addcore which = 613 }
command = { type = addcore which = 614 }
command = { type = addcore which = 615 }
command = { type = addcore which = 616 }
command = { type = addcore which = 617 }
command = { type = addcore which = 623 }
command = { type = addcore which = 624 }
command = { type = addcore which = 627 }
command = { type = addcore which = 628 }
command = { type = addcore which = 629 }
command = { type = addcore which = 630 }
command = { type = addcore which = 631 }
command = { type = addcore which = 632 }
command = { type = addcore which = 633 }
command = { type = addcore which = 634 }
command = { type = addcore which = 1467 }
command = { type = addcore which = 1468 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 272 }
command = { type = trigger which = 49907 }
}
}
event = {
id = 49903 #Triggered by CHI49901#
random = no
country = RUS
name = "EVENTNAME3421"
desc = "Russian exploration and colonization of Siberia started under Ivan the Terrible. By the end of the 17th century, most of eastern
Siberia was discovered (the Amur basin was explored by Khabarov in the 1650s and Kamchatka was reached in 1679). In 1689, a Russo-Chinese
border conflict was settled by the first Chinese-European agreement, the Treaty of Nerchinsk, wherein it was recognised that the Amur
basin laid within Chinese borders while the Baikal Lake region belonged to Russia. In 1727, the Kyakhta treaty would even make provisions
for a Russian trading station to be established in Peking, the capital of the new Manchu dynasty (1644-1911)."
style = 3
action_a ={ #Accept the Treaty#
name = "ACTIONNAME3421A"
command = { type = trigger which = 49905 }
command = { type = relation which = CHI value = 200 }
command = { type = stability value = 2 }
command = { type = colonists value = 4 }
command = { type = merchants value = 3 }
command = { type = diplomats value = -2 }
command = { type = vp value = 25 }
command = { type = trade value = 1000 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 609 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 611 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 623 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 624 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 631 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 632 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 1467 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 1468 }
command = { type = population which = 591 value = 1000 }
command = { type = population which = 600 value = 1500 }
command = { type = population which = 601 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 602 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 603 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 604 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 605 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 606 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 607 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 608 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 610 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 612 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 613 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 614 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 615 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 616 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 617 value = 350 }
command = { type = addcore which = 603 }
command = { type = addcore which = 604 }
command = { type = addcore which = 605 }
command = { type = addcore which = 606 }
command = { type = addcore which = 607 }
command = { type = addcore which = 608 }
command = { type = addcore which = 610 }
command = { type = addcore which = 612 }
command = { type = addcore which = 613 }
command = { type = addcore which = 614 }
command = { type = addcore which = 615 }
command = { type = addcore which = 616 }
command = { type = addcore which = 617 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 272 }
command = { type = trigger which = 49907 }
}
action_b ={ #Reject the Treaty offered by the arrogant Chinese#
name = "Reject the Treaty offered by the arrogant Chinese"
command = { type = trigger which = 3793 }
command = { type = relation which = CHI value = -350 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = -75 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = -75 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = -75 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = -75 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = -75 }
command = { type = diplomats value = -2 }
command = { type = colonists value = -2 }
command = { type = DIP which = -2 value = 144 }
command = { type = casusbelli which = CHI value = 24 }
command = { type = stability value = -2 }
command = { type = vp value = -30 }
command = { type = war which = CHI }
command = { type = trade value = -1000 }
command = { type = addcore which = 603 }
command = { type = addcore which = 604 }
command = { type = addcore which = 605 }
command = { type = addcore which = 606 }
command = { type = addcore which = 607 }
command = { type = addcore which = 608 }
command = { type = addcore which = 609 }
command = { type = addcore which = 610 }
command = { type = addcore which = 611 }
command = { type = addcore which = 612 }
command = { type = addcore which = 613 }
command = { type = addcore which = 614 }
command = { type = addcore which = 615 }
command = { type = addcore which = 616 }
command = { type = addcore which = 617 }
command = { type = addcore which = 623 }
command = { type = addcore which = 624 }
command = { type = addcore which = 627 }
command = { type = addcore which = 628 }
command = { type = addcore which = 629 }
command = { type = addcore which = 630 }
command = { type = addcore which = 631 }
command = { type = addcore which = 632 }
command = { type = addcore which = 633 }
command = { type = addcore which = 634 }
command = { type = addcore which = 1467 }
command = { type = addcore which = 1468 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 272 }
command = { type = trigger which = 49907 }
}
}
event = {
id = 49904 #Triggered by CHI49902#
random = no
country = RUS
name = "EVENTNAME3421"
desc = "Russian exploration and colonization of Siberia started under Ivan the Terrible. By the end of the 17th century, most of eastern
Siberia was discovered (the Amur basin was explored by Khabarov in the 1650s and Kamchatka was reached in 1679). In 1689, a Russo-Chinese
border conflict was settled by the first Chinese-European agreement, the Treaty of Nerchinsk, wherein it was recognised that the Amur
basin laid within Chinese borders while the Baikal Lake region belonged to Russia. In 1727, the Kyakhta treaty would even make provisions
for a Russian trading station to be established in Peking, the capital of the new Manchu dynasty (1644-1911)."
style = 3
action_a ={ #Reject the Treaty offered by the arrogant Chinese#
name = "Reject the Treaty offered by the arrogant Chinese"
command = { type = trigger which = 3793 }
command = { type = relation which = CHI value = -350 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = -75 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = -75 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = -75 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = -75 }
command = { type = relation which = -1 value = -75 }
command = { type = diplomats value = -2 }
command = { type = colonists value = -2 }
command = { type = DIP which = -2 value = 144 }
command = { type = casusbelli which = CHI value = 24 }
command = { type = stability value = -2 }
command = { type = vp value = -30 }
command = { type = war which = CHI }
command = { type = trade value = -1000 }
command = { type = addcore which = 603 }
command = { type = addcore which = 604 }
command = { type = addcore which = 605 }
command = { type = addcore which = 606 }
command = { type = addcore which = 607 }
command = { type = addcore which = 608 }
command = { type = addcore which = 609 }
command = { type = addcore which = 610 }
command = { type = addcore which = 611 }
command = { type = addcore which = 612 }
command = { type = addcore which = 613 }
command = { type = addcore which = 614 }
command = { type = addcore which = 615 }
command = { type = addcore which = 616 }
command = { type = addcore which = 617 }
command = { type = addcore which = 623 }
command = { type = addcore which = 624 }
command = { type = addcore which = 627 }
command = { type = addcore which = 628 }
command = { type = addcore which = 629 }
command = { type = addcore which = 630 }
command = { type = addcore which = 631 }
command = { type = addcore which = 632 }
command = { type = addcore which = 633 }
command = { type = addcore which = 634 }
command = { type = addcore which = 1467 }
command = { type = addcore which = 1468 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 272 }
command = { type = trigger which = 49907 }
}
action_b ={ #Accept the Treaty#
name = "ACTIONNAME3421A"
command = { type = trigger which = 49905 }
command = { type = relation which = CHI value = 200 }
command = { type = stability value = 2 }
command = { type = colonists value = 4 }
command = { type = merchants value = 3 }
command = { type = diplomats value = -2 }
command = { type = vp value = 25 }
command = { type = trade value = 1000 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 609 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 611 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 623 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 624 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 627 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 628 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 629 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 630 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 631 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 632 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 633 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 634 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 1467 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 1468 }
command = { type = population which = 591 value = 1000 }
command = { type = population which = 600 value = 1500 }
command = { type = population which = 601 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 602 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 603 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 604 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 605 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 606 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 607 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 608 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 610 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 612 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 613 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 614 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 615 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 616 value = 350 }
command = { type = population which = 617 value = 350 }
command = { type = addcore which = 603 }
command = { type = addcore which = 604 }
command = { type = addcore which = 605 }
command = { type = addcore which = 606 }
command = { type = addcore which = 607 }
command = { type = addcore which = 608 }
command = { type = addcore which = 610 }
command = { type = addcore which = 612 }
command = { type = addcore which = 613 }
command = { type = addcore which = 614 }
command = { type = addcore which = 615 }
command = { type = addcore which = 616 }
command = { type = addcore which = 617 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 272 }
command = { type = trigger which = 49907 }
}
}
Russian decision will affect China: Code:
#The Treaty of Nerchinsk#
event = {
id = 3705 #Triggered by RUS3421#
random = no
country = CHI
name = "EVENTNAME3705"
desc = "Russian exploration and colonization of Siberia started under Ivan the Terrible. By the end of the 17th century, most of eastern
Siberia was discovered (the Amur basin was explored by Khabarov in the 1650s and Kamchatka was reached in 1679). In 1689, a Russo-Chinese
border conflict was settled by the first Chinese-European agreement, the Treaty of Nerchinsk, wherein it was recognised that the Amur
basin laid within Chinese borders while the Baikal Lake region belonged to Russia. In 1727, the Kyakhta treaty would even make provisions
for a Russian trading station to be established in Peking, the capital of the new Manchu dynasty (1644-1911)."
style = 3
action_a ={ #Our Victory has been Acknowledged#
name = "ACTIONNAME3705A"
command = { type = vp value = 30 }
command = { type = land value = 2000 }
command = { type = trade value = 500 }
command = { type = relation which = RUS value = 250 }
command = { type = stability value = 2 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 602 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 603 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 604 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 605 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 606 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 607 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 608 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 610 }
command = { type = addcore which = 623 }
command = { type = addcore which = 624 }
command = { type = addcore which = 627 }
command = { type = addcore which = 628 }
command = { type = addcore which = 629 }
command = { type = addcore which = 630 }
command = { type = addcore which = 631 }
command = { type = addcore which = 632 }
command = { type = addcore which = 633 }
command = { type = addcore which = 634 }
command = { type = addcore which = 1467 }
command = { type = addcore which = 1468 }
command = { type = addcore which = 609 }
command = { type = addcore which = 611 }
}
}
#The Treaty of Nerchinsk#
event = {
id = 49905 #Triggered by RUS49903 RUS49904#
random = no
country = CHI
name = "EVENTNAME3705"
desc = "Russian exploration and colonization of Siberia started under Ivan the Terrible. By the end of the 17th century, most of eastern
Siberia was discovered (the Amur basin was explored by Khabarov in the 1650s and Kamchatka was reached in 1679). In 1689, a Russo-Chinese
border conflict was settled by the first Chinese-European agreement, the Treaty of Nerchinsk, wherein it was recognised that the Amur
basin laid within Chinese borders while the Baikal Lake region belonged to Russia. In 1727, the Kyakhta treaty would even make provisions
for a Russian trading station to be established in Peking, the capital of the new Manchu dynasty (1644-1911)."
style = 3
action_a ={ #Our Victory has been Acknowledged#
name = "ACTIONNAME3705A"
command = { type = vp value = 30 }
command = { type = land value = 2000 }
command = { type = trade value = 500 }
command = { type = relation which = RUS value = 250 }
command = { type = stability value = 2 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 602 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 603 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 604 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 605 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 606 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 607 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 608 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 610 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 612 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 613 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 614 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 615 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 616 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 617 }
command = { type = addcore which = 623 }
command = { type = addcore which = 624 }
command = { type = addcore which = 627 }
command = { type = addcore which = 628 }
command = { type = addcore which = 629 }
command = { type = addcore which = 630 }
command = { type = addcore which = 631 }
command = { type = addcore which = 632 }
command = { type = addcore which = 633 }
command = { type = addcore which = 634 }
command = { type = addcore which = 1467 }
command = { type = addcore which = 1468 }
command = { type = addcore which = 609 }
command = { type = addcore which = 611 }
}
}
#The Treaty of Nerchinsk#
event = {
id = 3793 #Triggered by RUS3421 RUS49903 RUS49904#
random = no
country = CHI
name = "EVENTNAME3793"
desc = "Russian exploration and colonization of Siberia started under Ivan the Terrible. By the end of the 17th century, most of eastern
Siberia was discovered (the Amur basin was explored by Khabarov in the 1650s and Kamchatka was reached in 1679). In 1689, a Russo-Chinese
border conflict was settled by the first Chinese-European agreement, the Treaty of Nerchinsk, wherein it was recognised that the Amur
basin laid within Chinese borders while the Baikal Lake region belonged to Russia. In 1727, the Kyakhta treaty would even make provisions
for a Russian trading station to be established in Peking, the capital of the new Manchu dynasty (1644-1911)."
style = 3
action_a ={ #Exterminate these Rude Barbarians#
name = "The Russians have rejected our treaty. Exterminate these Rude Barbarians"
command = { type = casusbelli which = RUS value = 1200 }
command = { type = manpower value = 30 }
command = { type = INF which = 634 value = 10000 }
command = { type = CAV which = 634 value = 3000 }
command = { type = treasury value = -150 }
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = war which = RUS }
command = { type = addcore which = 609 }
command = { type = addcore which = 611 }
command = { type = addcore which = 623 }
command = { type = addcore which = 624 }
command = { type = addcore which = 627 }
command = { type = addcore which = 628 }
command = { type = addcore which = 629 }
command = { type = addcore which = 630 }
command = { type = addcore which = 631 }
command = { type = addcore which = 632 }
command = { type = addcore which = 633 }
command = { type = addcore which = 634 }
command = { type = addcore which = 1467 }
command = { type = addcore which = 1468 }
command = { type = addcore which = 603 }
command = { type = addcore which = 605 }
command = { type = addcore which = 607 }
command = { type = addcore which = 608 }
command = { type = addcore which = 610 }
command = { type = addcore which = 612 }
command = { type = addcore which = 613 }
command = { type = addcore which = 614 }
command = { type = addcore which = 615 }
}
}
The following two events will establish diplomatic contact between Russia and China (reveal each other's capital): Code:
#Diplomatic exchange with China#
event = {
id = 49906 #Triggered by CHI49900 CHI49901 CHI49902#
random = no
country = RUS
name = "Diplomatic exchange with China"
desc = "The diplomatic exchange with China is complete."
style = 3
action_a ={
name = "Fine"
command = { type = secedeprovince which = CHI value = 651 }
}
}
#Diplomatic exchange with Russia#
event = {
id = 49907 #Triggered by RUS3421 RUS49903 RUS49904#
random = no
country = CHI
name = "Diplomatic exchange with Russia"
desc = "The diplomatic exchange with Russia is complete."
style = 3
action_a ={
name = "Fine"
command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 272 }
}
}
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I can think of one condition right off, a shared border between China and Russia instead of a date stamp
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I would also like to suggest that a trigger be added so that it only happens if China and Russia border each other. It makes no sense for this to happen when Russia is still west of the Urals...
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see, i dont know how that can be done, cos i m not an experienced event scripter like u guys, thats why i cant think of it. i dont think theres a trigger specifically for common borders, is there?
anyway, i think the event could happen even when both are at war. but would instead bring peace if accepted. |
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put this in the top of the russian event, and set it to happen any time from 1419 to 1820
trigger = { neighbour = CHI }
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ok, i edited the post. but since we cant make peace by an event command, i guess the war trigger also needs to be there? doesnt really make sense if u r still at war after signing the treaty.
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good stuff
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19-09-2002, 10:57
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we were discussing, in the eep thread, that additional triggers should be added. say if russia havent reached novosibirsk, theres no point in having the treaty at all. so i suggest that we add another trigger that russia must own one of provinces 600-615 for the event to fire.
Also, we considered that, although the historical treaty didnt specify about the Kamchatka region nor the corridor linking kamchatka with the Baikal lake region, the event should also cede any chinese provinces over there (or at least the corridor) to russia for a more historical game effect. And a related question is whether we should give cb shields to russia in those areas (ie provinces east of province 608. anyone has any opinion?? |
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19-09-2002, 20:36
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Sounds reasonable. Better give Russia these shields to encourage it for expansion.
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20-09-2002, 14:28
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the problem is, does giving them cb shields really help the AI that much?? If not, being concious of the AGC event philosophy of historical determinism, i m more inclined to not give them. this is bcoz i dont think it historically far-fetched for russian expansion into the far east and Pacific being blocked by China even in 1814.
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Hmm, I assume that China didn't blocked expansion of Russia cause had enough problems with domestic policy and was generally not interested in cold and poor regions of the north. Event about Nerchinsk reflect that there were a contested lands. If Russia do its best and fire the event with changed triggers then I'm for giving it new shields. These regions were considered as Chinese sphere of influence anyway. Another thing is question of ceding some provinces - without it Russia will never reach Pacific if China chooses expansion. I propose to add command of secede most north provinces in corridor between Bajka³ Lake and Pacific to Russia if owned by China.
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so u r saying giving the shield and seceding the provinces are much needed for game effects??
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Russia may never reach Pacific. I'm worried cause Russia ai it seems to be doomed and in fact almost never reaches ocean.
My solution - rewrite event about China's expansion. If China chooses expansion then it could trigger another variation of Nerchinsk Event than the one triggered by Inward Perfection (I bet you want to change this event too). So we need 3 or 4 variations of Treaty of Nerchinsk event depending mainly on the position of China. Maybe even more (I think about very powerful Russia and divided China, triggers - countrysize and owning of the provinces). |
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u r right that i want to abolish the inward/outward event. hmm... i want to be careful not to make this overly complex. i think the proposed triggers for this event is already a control as to when the treaty will fire. If China is strong enough that Russia didnt even reach the eastern siberia, then the event wont even fire, and the superior position of China is preserved. I think the only other situation we need to accomodate for is when Russia is stronger than was in history. Then we probably need to cede the northern corridor linking the Pacific. And if Russia is extremely strong, then we should reverse the options so the AI would most likely reject the second version of the treaty, and this would be the most extreme we should go, bcos a treaty purporting to secede provinces in the Amur region to Russia would not be realistic. China would never secede what they consider sovereign territory without a fight, especially since Russia is such an alien power. i will avoid using the country size trigger bcos in this case countrysize could be very unpredictable. a Russia very powerful in Eastern Europe but with only 1 or 2 provinces in the Urals and Siberia will make it just as weak in this case as if it progressed normally.
So I will go with 3 versions of the treaty. 1) the most historical - when russia have reached the Baikal lake region AND borders China no shields nor secede any provinces to Russia in the northern corridor linking the pacific. this would obviously sleep the other events. 2) russia stronger - russia have already reached the northern corridor when it borders China China secedes other corridor provinces to Russia and Russia gains shields. 3) russia extremely strong - russia have already reached the pacific when it came to contact with Chinese borders reverse the accept/reject options in 2. Here is a question: when we want 2 or 3 to fire, how can we exclude 1; or; 1 and 2? This is bcos if the conditions in 2 or 3 are met, then the conditions of the ones above them must also be met, so what would happen? will they fire simultaneously? how can we prevent that? Also, we have to make copies of the same event in case Manchuria still havent managed to inherit China. In that case probably only options 2 or 3 would be available. Also, what if someone plays Korea or Japan and manages to conquer the Manchuria area?? what if China and Manchuria borders Russia simultaneuosly?? i guess these are the problems associated with being too accomodating of every situation.
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I suppose you want to include another version of Inward/Outworld. It could be a base if you give minimum three options to it. Option a and c can have a sleepevent commands. For instance if China will focus more on itself or SE Asia then it would have no objection in giving up unimportant terrains on the north (say option a). If it focuses on north (option c), then will add sleepevent command to another version of Treaty. It should simplify some things. Then you can include NOT = event xx options and slightly change startdates in variations of Treaty events to avoid firing up in the same moment (if not excluded by sleepevent or other conditions). At last, some key provinces could give another material. Say Russia controls city in Irkuck in 1600 - it could give it more powerful version of event. On the reverse, China could control Nerchinsk or even Irkuck - it provides us with another variation. If I suggest something then give trigger with OR = owned three or more provinces for China cause I observed that China ai is quick in establishing few first cities (especially Amgun) and then do nothing. Try to model it that way to give a human player a good chance to get to Pacific. I'm think that boosting Russia ai is helpless anyway.
Trigger composed of three conditions should solve most problems with firing in the same moment. Korea nad Japan can be excluded. Too low manpower and too many chinese people in the area. We are trying to model the history - I don't care if human player conquers with her Japan half of Asia. Mandzuria - yes, option with advantage of Russia can be most useful but I think that Mandzuria will be focused on conquering China, so mybe no version to it (or specific trigger- say only if it owns some provinces in corridor?). At last, make a "empty" version for instance of not happening the others. Trigger - NOT a lot sort of events and Russia owns some province or provinces. Uff, I check other triggers too to give you more work later .
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the start dates i think cannot be used coz we should rely on the circumstances as to when the event will fire, not make a mandatory date.
i dont really get what u r saying, but i think i've figured it out. we can just use the NOT commands to exclude the other versions where russia is stronger. So version 1 (as corresponds to above) will fire when russia controls one of the provinces around the Baikal Lake AND borders China, but NOT when it controls any provinces along the corridor or the Pacific. (so we r using OR parameters within a NOT parameter). version 2 will fire when russia controls one of the provinces along the corridor AND borders China, but NOT when it controls provinces along the Pacific. Note that when this condition is satisfied version 1 hass already excluded itself version 3 will fire when russia controls one of the provinces along the Pacific AND borders China. i dont think theres a need for an empty version. the events just wont fire when the conditions are not satisfied. Also i think ownership and border trigger r already sufficient, if we take into account all the strategic orientation at the time that would be just too complex. I m proposing to change the inward/outward event to the point where it becomes invisibly incorporated into numerous Chinese events about incidents in the imperial courts and palaces and trade. so i wont make this treaty subject to that event.
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Yes, in case that you want to break Inward/Uotworld into several other events, it cannot serve as a base. So only triggers in Treaty of Nerchinsk remains. NOT will be very useful at the start. Maybe sleepevent too. As it looks now these three versions semms to solve the situation.
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Ok, i m writing up the 3 versions of the treaty. Can sumone tell me, what happens if u try to add a cot or population to a province in an event but that province is still empty?? would nothing happen?? or will u still get the extra population and Cot once u colonised it??
Also, can someone teach me how to post indented text here? this is so that the script looks neater and the same as in the files. thanx
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Most commands won't do anything at all if the country getting the event doesn't own the province in question; the two exceptions are provinceculture and cot. I've never tried either on a province that was completely empty; let us know what happens.
To preserve the tabs in your code, put it between the aptly named [code] and [/code] tags. [code] is a bit wonky at the moment; it displays the stuff between it in the default browser font and color, which for most people is black. Black doesn't show up very well against the dark blue background. Thus, you'll want to set the color by hand, like: [code][color=white]Your events here.[/color][/code]
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