early Mameluke AAR

Warspite · 08-02-2001, 19:06

History has shown that the Mamelukes have lasted for quite a long time. They are not that well known in the history books. Maybe thats because they were not christian and maybe thats because they were not european. They were an islamic empire (sultinate) that controlled much of egypt/sudan/judea/syria from about 1250 to 1517. There center was in egypt. Mamluks are of foreign decent, taken as slaves in egypt in the crusader times and with the decline of the ayyubids they rose to power.

Sultan Baybars age 38 in 1271

1271-1291
Sultan Baybars was ruler of the Mamelukes his capital was in Egypt. His vassal state was in syria which was governed by his good friend and general Qarlawun. Each commanded an army of 120,000men.

to egypts west was the land of maghreb, this land was ruled by the hafsids of Al Muntasir. In iberia or spain was the castile kingdom of Alfonso X . England was the Angevin kingdom of HenryIII . France was the Capetian kingdom of PhilipIII. Germany was the Holy Roman Empire of Rudolf I . Italy was the sicilian kingdom of charles I. Poland was ruled by Boleslav V. Hungary kingdom was ruled by Istvan. the balkans were the Byzantine empire of Michael VIII . The baltics was the teutonic knights of Von Balk. Vast russian land was of the Golden Horde ruled by Yaroslav III. Persia/arabia and asia minor was ruled by the Il khanate of Arghun Khan of the mongols. India was split by the sultanate of delhi and india. the juan dynasty of the mongols ruled much of central asia and china.

Baybars was a fair politician with strong character and body. He was an awesome warrior and an average leader. His first son Barakakham however was a weak politician, and marginal as a warrior and leader with little charm. Baybars however trusted Barakakham with his army.

Baybars would change egypts labor to focus on economy and agriculture. Trade was used extensively to boost economy and the population was boosted by trade and scaling down the military some. Baybars trusted his friend Al Muntasir of the hafsids in maghreb to protect his western border and his vassal of syria to protect his east border.

Trouble started in Late 1271 when Shara, Baybars wife caught Baybars in adultery, in those days nasty adulterers where called clintons. Word of Baybars weakness spread throughout the empire and in 1272 Qarlawun betrayed the empire and declared an independant Empire of Midur in syria. This infuriated Baybars and he sent 10,000 men to crush syria only to have their bodies sent back in a long line of corpse wagons. The empire none the less continued to prosper in egypt under Baybars direction.

1275 Baybars signs a three year alliance with the Hafsids to his west. So Baybars sent a token foder army of 100,000peasant light infantry to test syrias army. The blood bath was a crushing blow to the Mamelukes . Syria lost only 10,000men while the now evil Qarlawun had Baybars troops slaughtered and cast into the great salt sea which from then on would be known as the dead sea as 100,000 bodies covered the sea and shore for years.

In the mean time, the Hafsids took advantage of the peace with egypt and attacked Iberia to its north. The Castile kingdom army repelled the Hafsids. With Castile massing troops to invade the hafsids, Baybars accepts maghreb as his vassal and Al Muntasir becomes his general. Baybars places his son Barakakham in charge of the vassal of Maghreb and its army of 50,000 men.

Baybars knows war is hard for him now, so his offer for peace to syria is denied and to castile is also denied. His empire is thrust into war on two fronts. the mameluke army weak from war and economic progress.

1275 Baybars crushes all opposition in the empire sent by Syria. his focus is on building a new army and strengthening the economy.

in 1277 england invades france but is repelled

1280 a son khalil is born by Shara, it seems Baybars and his wife kissed and made up. Word comes from central asia that a plague has broken out killing thousands.

1282 Castile of spain finally launches an invasion into Maghreb. The armies clash Maghreb has 50,000 well trained Mameluke horseman and Castile attacks with 120,000 pikemen and infantry. the battle is very bloody. Castile wins however and murders Baybars son Barakakham and sends the body to its father in egypt. Baybars is furious.

Baybars calls on his friend from the old wars Al Akbar. who was famous for his ruthless slaughter of the enemy. Al Muntasir also is given an army and Baybars himself though with only one eye. commands an army of archers. With 180,000men Baybars attacks Castile kingdom in maghreb. Castile only has 60,000 men left there. The war is evil and Baybars calls on his tactics of old and sarrounds the enemy forces, starving them and launching arrows into the fortifications. When the enemy surrendered, he had all of the men tortured and butchered and governor Langsborg is taken alive.

That winter emediately after taking maghreb. Baybars and his army march to Iberia. This time another one of Baybars old warrior buddies joins with another army. Abdul Zuhr with his band of murderers invade the Castile kingdom together. Spain is ravaged all winter as Baybars orders every man woman and child to be butchered and every wealth taken for the empire. Baybars takes king Alfonso X and his family and infront of them kills governor Langsborg then proceeds to kill Alfonsos family himself before the kings very eyes. Alfonso is then thrown in the dungeon to eat rats the rest of his days. the mad king swears he will return to avenge this day.

Baybars goes back to egypt with the victory, the booty and the revenge. His people are overjoyed and he gets 100% support now. Maghreb also gives him 94% support. He repopulates spain with people of islam and they give him 94% support. Baybars second son Salamish is given the land of spain. though france warns the Mamelukes to leave.

Syria invades egypt in 1284 but the army of syria is thrown back twice and Syria gives up trying to destroy the Mamelukes.

1283 the golden horde begins to weaken with rebellions. The yuan dynasty in asia claims korea.

Baybars gives his general Abdel Zuhr (the son of Abdul Zuhr) his daughter shila in marriage to streangthen the loyalty of his army.

The Il khanate refuses Baybars request for an alliance against Syria in 1286. Baybars demands syria surrender and become a vassal but they refuse.

1287 Delhi and India war, back and forth they exchange victories. Rebellions begin to break out in the Yuan dynasty in china. Arabia breaks from the Il khanate under sultan Juwanyi. Baybars tries to win an alliance with the new sultan but fails.
1290 Byzantine also rejects Baybars alliance. The whole world seems to know that Baybars wants only to murder syria and its ruler Qarlawun.

Egypt is very populated and economically strongest in the world. Army of 200,000 men well trianed and very well armed. Maghreb is at peace and iberia is at peace building the economy, spreading islam and building an army to destroy the infidels of europe. Syria is beginning to support Qarlawun more as he builds a huge army and slowly gains support.

more on this later if your interested, this game helps me wait for eu

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Warspite · 08-02-2001, 20:30

Baybars, a brief history of the sultan.

Baybars was a man who was born into slavery under the ayyubids of egypt. His family was brought to egypt from kurdish lands after mongols began to reign terror in islam. He was a boy born with one eye, the other eye blind. His character was strong and he excelled in all he did. He rose to the high ranks in mamluk and ayyubid society. He was a young man who fought with egyptian and mamluk men to be the first army of islam to defeat the advancing mongol armies in syria. Upon Baybars fathers death, he assumed the throne of power and being a wise educated warrior. he promoted muslim teaching in the lands, schools of muslim and mosques for muslims. He gained many friends during the mongol wars. Friends who were as fierce and bloody in war as the mongols they beat. while the mongols brought terror and buchery and slavery to islam. Baybars and the mamluks brought higher learning, islam, development and tried to bring peace to the people as these old slaves knew what suffering was.

This aar is based off of the game Genghis Khan II, playing as the Mamelukes. The game is very historicly accurate with initial leaders and names. I will rewrite history however with the game, and pass it on to you.

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Stromprophet · 08-02-2001, 20:32

Good idea Warspite.

Hey did you watch the Wisonsin Purdue game. Pretty good for Wisconsin. Of course my Boilers are just not playing very well at all right now. It's quite atrocious.

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Warspite · 09-02-2001, 01:07

1291-1299

Baybars good friend Al Muntasir passed away in spring and Baybars decided it was time to crush his old friend Qarlawun in syria. Age was catching up with the sultan and he did not want to see his son have to deal with traitors such as Qarlawun. Baybars called his loyal generals to devise a plan to defeat the mighty armies of syria.

In 1292 the plan was put to work. Baybars and his generals took the egyptian army west to look as if it were moving elsewhere, spies were sent to syria to report word of egypts army moving west for a time. At first it appeared the plan failed. but the day shara gave birth to son Al Assad. Qarlawun took the bait and sent half his army into egypt to take cairo. Baybars praised alah. With syrias army split in half. Baybars emerged from the desert and sarrounded the syrian army led by Al awal the son of Qarlawun. In a fierce battle 200,000 mamluks butchered the surprised syrian army.

Before Qarlawun heard the news, Abdel Zuhr and his father Abdul Zuhr the murderer, led the 190,000man mamluke army into syria to defeat the remaining 100,000man syrian army. The plan worked so perfectly that Baybars army only lost 40,000men total against a better armed and trained army. Baybars executed every general and family member of Qarlawun and sent qarlawun himself to prison to be tortured daily. Baybars sent news to the syrians himself that he would restore riches to the land.

in 1293 however european powers sent a delegation to rome to challenge the power of the mamelukes in the holy land. A force of 200,000 men from sicily arrived in syria and invaded. only 180000 mamelukes defended but yet again the blessings of alah and determination of baybars and his generals won the day. butchering the sicilians and burning their bodies on the ships they came in on. However syria was damaged with warfare, the army also was down to 80,000men. Baybars summoned help from maghreb and egypt to revive syria.

Baybars in 1293 became ill from all of the action. his health was failing at age 60. He was still a strong leader but his body was weakening and he was not able to do as much for the empire as before. he delegated authority in syria and egypt to his loyal generals who were younger. 1294 shara gave birth to Ibn Akbar.

1295 Qarlawun dies in prison, and syria was beginning to grow and prosper under Baybars economic plans. Baybars also sent a delegation led by Abdel Zuhr to sicily demanding they surrender or be invaded and butchered like they did to castile of iberia years ago. Everyone knew what happened to the people of iberia so fear struck the rulers of italy and they reluctantly surrendered control of rome to the mamelukes of Baybars. Baybars upon hearing the news dropped to his knees and yelled praises to alah. What a victory the muslim people will have this day.

With rome as a vassal the door to europe is wide open. Mameluke armies flooded into italy and all europe began to quiver in fear. Only byzantine stuck a peace agreement with the mamelukes in hopes of not being overrun by their armies. Baybars promised not to butcher the people of italy. Instead he flooded riches into the country to gain favor. He also forced islam on the people, that didnt go over too well, revolts sprung out and the army was racked with revolutions.

Meanwhile 1296 kiev russia drove the golden horde out of eurasia. Europe began to mobilize armies fearing the new threat of muslim armies 600,000 muslim men at their doorsteps now. That was an army bigger than germany, england and france combined. Baybars now held the power.

Baybars crushed the revolts and won the people back with gifts and martial law. Alah rewarded him with great harvests in Iberia and Italy that year of 1296

1297-1299 Baybars focused on building italies economy and building support of the population. Syria, egypt and iberia were very strong and stable, maghreb was also loyal to the mamelukes. Baybars gained so much recognition and favor now that Arabia allied with the Mamelukes and the center of islam was moved to Cairo instead of baghdad.

Baybars was now forced to prepare his sons to rule over the empire after his passing drew nearer.

Boshko · 09-02-2001, 01:12

Well they also held onto Egypt as Ottoman vassals until Napoleon.

Warspite · 09-02-2001, 01:39

i think you are correct there, and after napolean that saw the end of the mamelukes rule in the region, they were pushed into nubia quietly if i recall correctly.

rich history that is little known i would say of the mamelukes. its neat rewriting history with them. i can do it again when i get eu yippee, read that aar too hehe.

BAM, the god of diplomacy · 09-02-2001, 02:03

wow, this game seems to be pretty good.
is there a demo available?

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Ivo_tentije · 09-02-2001, 09:01

no demo thy got better thing to do(patches and different languages)

BAM, the god of diplomacy · 09-02-2001, 20:42

Quote:

Originally posted by BAM, the god of diplomacy:
wow, this game seems to be pretty good.
is there a demo available?

I was reffering to the game 'gengis khan 2' not EU.
(I assume that this aar is based on Gengis khan 2)

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Arinvald · 09-02-2001, 20:49

Yes the Mamalukes were good at one time. They even beat up on the Mongols at Ain Jalut in 1260. Not bad.

Warspite · 09-02-2001, 23:45

Yep they did beat the mongols, that was the period just before my aar. Baybars in the aar as i explain was a warrior against the mongols. History did show the Mamelukes and egyptian peasant army were the first army in 1260 to stop the mongol advance in the arab lands. From then on the mamelukes held the Il khanate at bey.

I try to blend real history in with my own history as i write it in my game. Is this aar anygood?

Warspite · 09-02-2001, 23:58

1301 Mameluke realignment.

In winter of 1300 Baybars became very ill and he was unable to perform duties of Emperor or sultan. He was bed ridden and basically just a head figure while his generals did the work. Baybars would appoint his son Khalil as the new Emperor of the Mameluke empire as he was a great warrior and good politician. His other son in Iberia was appointed to Sultan of Egypt and Syria. Abdel Zuhr was made king of Maghreb the vassel state. Charles I of Sicily was left in Sicily as a vassal king because he surrendered to the muslims and Baybars was generous to him.

The end of the Baybars era was near and the people prepared for new rule. Under Baybars the muslims grew stronger than ever and more wealthy. They also advanced into iberia and italy in europe and threatened the very heart of Europe now. Baybars dream was to turn europe into a muslim land, a dream he demanded his sons share.

Khalils first act as emperor in 1301 was to send demands for surrender to France and Germany. Both kingdoms refused and relations grew sour and war was near. Khalil was 22 years old and he wanted war and to frolic in the blood of the infidels. He was fierce, cunning and Europes worst nightmare.

next will be the period of 1301-1310

Arinvald · 09-02-2001, 23:59

I have enjoyed it. As I said in another thread, reading it and being reminded of GK2 made me download it last night and I will play it while I wait for EU. Seeing the game again brought a tear to my eye. If you could please answer a question. I downloaded the manual as well as the game but when I unzipped the manual I get a bunch of junk. Do you have to open it with a specific program or what? I could probably stumble through it without the manual but it would be much more enjoyable to play after reading the manual. I just cant remember the rules after 8 years. Old age I guess.

BAM, the god of diplomacy · 10-02-2001, 00:38

where did you download it from?

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Arinvald · 10-02-2001, 06:10

That underdog site.

mosquitodriver · 10-02-2001, 20:44

wow, this game sounds great, i want to get it now too. which game is better though, ghenghis khan II or europa universalis? both the AARs for them sounds awesome. i dont have either game yet so i dont know.

is europa universalis coming to mexico or not?

thanks

Arinvald · 10-02-2001, 22:17

GK2 came out in '93 so it is quite a throwback now. Its a nice little game and will hold my attention while I await EU in the US. You can download GK2 for free at underdog.com. EU will be out in the US in 11 days and it will be much better than GK2 though GK2 was a great game in its day. I dont think EU will be relesed in Mexico but there will be a Spanish release.

Warspite · 13-02-2001, 00:49

1301-1302 New Emperor Reigns Terror

This marks the beginning of the evil genious Emperor Khalil. While kamakura japan begins to conquer china and mongolia and the mongols weaken all over asia. The jagatai khanate vanishes, the golden horde is gone the ugitai khanate is about to be conquered by india. the il khanate is being beaten by mamelukes and byzantine armies. Thus while the major powers split up mongol lands, the greed for land spreads to europe. First poland grabs up russia. Then byzantine follows by taking russia from Poland. German holy roman empire takes poland then and france fails in its attack into Germany. So europeans are fighting and weakening themselves, ruining their chance to unite against the muslims at their doorsteps. France finally sees the onslaught about to happen with the death of Baybars in summer of 1302. So france secures a peace treaty for 8 years with Khalil. This is perfect for Khalil however as he plans his conquest of europe.

With the death of Baybars in summer of 1302 the empire mourned. However at the funeral only the sons Salamish 31 year old, and Al Assad 10 year old and others showed. Khalil did not show because he planned with his armies. He was happy his father was out of the way from blocking his reckless slaughter of non muslims.

Khalil went as far to say that his father was a weak ruler who only spread islam to those who offended him. Khalil vowed to spread islam to all the world. To inialate all good and bad people if they are not muslims. He also had Salamish deposed as sultan and forced him into iberia as a puppet vassal. Khalil charged Salamish as being a weak leader and terrible warrior who did not deserve honor. He then had his other brother Al Assad taken secretly to Malta in captivity so that he does not grow to threaten his rule. Al Assad though young was a strong boy and had the potential to be strong in all things. Khalil gained loyalty from the army, however islamic leaders and scholars did not trust his motives. Salamish was jealous of Khalil who he feels stole his spot as Emperor so he plotted his brothers downfall with his allies in egypt and syria.

Khalil now with all the power solidly with his massive army, had all non muslims in italy slaughtered. all non muslims in his empire were killed no one was to escape alive. He also demanded Arabia, his fathers beloved islamic friend, to pay tribute or they too would be crushed and taken. This lost Khalil much respect in the islamic world and he would from then on have loyalty only from his armies and corrupt citizens but muslims of integrity would never back him only live in fear of him.

The empire though remaining as one, would essentially be split in half. Khalil would maintain direct control of his conquered lands and his armies, while Salamish easily had the backing of iberia, egypt and syrian muslims.

Now that the lines had been drawn, the blood began to flow and it would flow in oceans as Khalil set about his plan of murder and conquest. The mongols and genghis khan would never had dreamed of being so ruthless as Khalil the Mameluke, infact they would make a historic strategy game in the 20th century that was called Khalil the Mameluke

and it would be better than genghis khans game.

follow along next time as i take you on a journey of blood 1302-1310

'Take thier hearts and feed them to their devil in their hell'
Emperor Khalil the mameluke addressing his generals before invading Germany summer 1303.

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Warspite · 13-02-2001, 02:05

ROYAL MARRIAGE IN ROME 1302

The weeks following Baybars death. Khalil purposely avoided the funeral so he could spend time with his army in day and with his mistress Patricia by night. Patricia was the secret daughter of Pope Honorius IV. The Pope did a little nap sacking behind the red curtain but kept it a secret. That is until Patricia and her converted mother came forward with the story. This shocked the catholic church in europe. Patricia to save her life as her countrymen died around her, converted over to islam. She was considered one of the most beautiful women of europe. Khalil was happy to take her islamic success story into his own. She was a figure of the future, corrupt and fake catholics will bow to alah and accept islam.

Khalil and Patricia were married by the islamic leader Muhammed Gua Al Muffasud in 1302.

'My devine lord, i will bow to you always. If only you had seen how my father bathed in his glory and power while dispising the peasants. He read from the gospel of Jesus only what he wanted them to hear, tainting the words to fit the needs of the holy church. Cursed are the dead in catholic europe, blessed are the living in Khalils Islamic Empire.'

Patricia while submitting to Khalil and converting to Islam before the royal marriage.

08-02-2001, 19:06	#1
Warspite Admiral of the Kings Fleet Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Appleton, WI Posts: 2,426	History has shown that the Mamelukes have lasted for quite a long time. They are not that well known in the history books. Maybe thats because they were not christian and maybe thats because they were not european. They were an islamic empire (sultinate) that controlled much of egypt/sudan/judea/syria from about 1250 to 1517. There center was in egypt. Mamluks are of foreign decent, taken as slaves in egypt in the crusader times and with the decline of the ayyubids they rose to power. Sultan Baybars age 38 in 1271 1271-1291 Sultan Baybars was ruler of the Mamelukes his capital was in Egypt. His vassal state was in syria which was governed by his good friend and general Qarlawun. Each commanded an army of 120,000men. to egypts west was the land of maghreb, this land was ruled by the hafsids of Al Muntasir. In iberia or spain was the castile kingdom of Alfonso X . England was the Angevin kingdom of HenryIII . France was the Capetian kingdom of PhilipIII. Germany was the Holy Roman Empire of Rudolf I . Italy was the sicilian kingdom of charles I. Poland was ruled by Boleslav V. Hungary kingdom was ruled by Istvan. the balkans were the Byzantine empire of Michael VIII . The baltics was the teutonic knights of Von Balk. Vast russian land was of the Golden Horde ruled by Yaroslav III. Persia/arabia and asia minor was ruled by the Il khanate of Arghun Khan of the mongols. India was split by the sultanate of delhi and india. the juan dynasty of the mongols ruled much of central asia and china. Baybars was a fair politician with strong character and body. He was an awesome warrior and an average leader. His first son Barakakham however was a weak politician, and marginal as a warrior and leader with little charm. Baybars however trusted Barakakham with his army. Baybars would change egypts labor to focus on economy and agriculture. Trade was used extensively to boost economy and the population was boosted by trade and scaling down the military some. Baybars trusted his friend Al Muntasir of the hafsids in maghreb to protect his western border and his vassal of syria to protect his east border. Trouble started in Late 1271 when Shara, Baybars wife caught Baybars in adultery, in those days nasty adulterers where called clintons. Word of Baybars weakness spread throughout the empire and in 1272 Qarlawun betrayed the empire and declared an independant Empire of Midur in syria. This infuriated Baybars and he sent 10,000 men to crush syria only to have their bodies sent back in a long line of corpse wagons. The empire none the less continued to prosper in egypt under Baybars direction. 1275 Baybars signs a three year alliance with the Hafsids to his west. So Baybars sent a token foder army of 100,000peasant light infantry to test syrias army. The blood bath was a crushing blow to the Mamelukes . Syria lost only 10,000men while the now evil Qarlawun had Baybars troops slaughtered and cast into the great salt sea which from then on would be known as the dead sea as 100,000 bodies covered the sea and shore for years. In the mean time, the Hafsids took advantage of the peace with egypt and attacked Iberia to its north. The Castile kingdom army repelled the Hafsids. With Castile massing troops to invade the hafsids, Baybars accepts maghreb as his vassal and Al Muntasir becomes his general. Baybars places his son Barakakham in charge of the vassal of Maghreb and its army of 50,000 men. Baybars knows war is hard for him now, so his offer for peace to syria is denied and to castile is also denied. His empire is thrust into war on two fronts. the mameluke army weak from war and economic progress. 1275 Baybars crushes all opposition in the empire sent by Syria. his focus is on building a new army and strengthening the economy. in 1277 england invades france but is repelled 1280 a son khalil is born by Shara, it seems Baybars and his wife kissed and made up. Word comes from central asia that a plague has broken out killing thousands. 1282 Castile of spain finally launches an invasion into Maghreb. The armies clash Maghreb has 50,000 well trained Mameluke horseman and Castile attacks with 120,000 pikemen and infantry. the battle is very bloody. Castile wins however and murders Baybars son Barakakham and sends the body to its father in egypt. Baybars is furious. Baybars calls on his friend from the old wars Al Akbar. who was famous for his ruthless slaughter of the enemy. Al Muntasir also is given an army and Baybars himself though with only one eye. commands an army of archers. With 180,000men Baybars attacks Castile kingdom in maghreb. Castile only has 60,000 men left there. The war is evil and Baybars calls on his tactics of old and sarrounds the enemy forces, starving them and launching arrows into the fortifications. When the enemy surrendered, he had all of the men tortured and butchered and governor Langsborg is taken alive. That winter emediately after taking maghreb. Baybars and his army march to Iberia. This time another one of Baybars old warrior buddies joins with another army. Abdul Zuhr with his band of murderers invade the Castile kingdom together. Spain is ravaged all winter as Baybars orders every man woman and child to be butchered and every wealth taken for the empire. Baybars takes king Alfonso X and his family and infront of them kills governor Langsborg then proceeds to kill Alfonsos family himself before the kings very eyes. Alfonso is then thrown in the dungeon to eat rats the rest of his days. the mad king swears he will return to avenge this day. Baybars goes back to egypt with the victory, the booty and the revenge. His people are overjoyed and he gets 100% support now. Maghreb also gives him 94% support. He repopulates spain with people of islam and they give him 94% support. Baybars second son Salamish is given the land of spain. though france warns the Mamelukes to leave. Syria invades egypt in 1284 but the army of syria is thrown back twice and Syria gives up trying to destroy the Mamelukes. 1283 the golden horde begins to weaken with rebellions. The yuan dynasty in asia claims korea. Baybars gives his general Abdel Zuhr (the son of Abdul Zuhr) his daughter shila in marriage to streangthen the loyalty of his army. The Il khanate refuses Baybars request for an alliance against Syria in 1286. Baybars demands syria surrender and become a vassal but they refuse. 1287 Delhi and India war, back and forth they exchange victories. Rebellions begin to break out in the Yuan dynasty in china. Arabia breaks from the Il khanate under sultan Juwanyi. Baybars tries to win an alliance with the new sultan but fails. 1290 Byzantine also rejects Baybars alliance. The whole world seems to know that Baybars wants only to murder syria and its ruler Qarlawun. Egypt is very populated and economically strongest in the world. Army of 200,000 men well trianed and very well armed. Maghreb is at peace and iberia is at peace building the economy, spreading islam and building an army to destroy the infidels of europe. Syria is beginning to support Qarlawun more as he builds a huge army and slowly gains support. more on this later if your interested, this game helps me wait for eu [This message has been edited by warspite (edited 08-02-2001).] [This message has been edited by warspite (edited 08-02-2001).]

08-02-2001, 20:30	#2
Warspite Admiral of the Kings Fleet Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Appleton, WI Posts: 2,426	Baybars, a brief history of the sultan. Baybars was a man who was born into slavery under the ayyubids of egypt. His family was brought to egypt from kurdish lands after mongols began to reign terror in islam. He was a boy born with one eye, the other eye blind. His character was strong and he excelled in all he did. He rose to the high ranks in mamluk and ayyubid society. He was a young man who fought with egyptian and mamluk men to be the first army of islam to defeat the advancing mongol armies in syria. Upon Baybars fathers death, he assumed the throne of power and being a wise educated warrior. he promoted muslim teaching in the lands, schools of muslim and mosques for muslims. He gained many friends during the mongol wars. Friends who were as fierce and bloody in war as the mongols they beat. while the mongols brought terror and buchery and slavery to islam. Baybars and the mamluks brought higher learning, islam, development and tried to bring peace to the people as these old slaves knew what suffering was. This aar is based off of the game Genghis Khan II, playing as the Mamelukes. The game is very historicly accurate with initial leaders and names. I will rewrite history however with the game, and pass it on to you. [This message has been edited by warspite (edited 10-02-2001).]

08-02-2001, 20:32	#3
Stromprophet 1515 RPG Maps/Events Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana, United States Posts: 604	Good idea Warspite. Hey did you watch the Wisonsin Purdue game. Pretty good for Wisconsin. Of course my Boilers are just not playing very well at all right now. It's quite atrocious. ------------------ 'We must do more than defeat their armies, we must destroy them.' General Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson

09-02-2001, 01:07	#4
Warspite Admiral of the Kings Fleet Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Appleton, WI Posts: 2,426	1291-1299 Baybars good friend Al Muntasir passed away in spring and Baybars decided it was time to crush his old friend Qarlawun in syria. Age was catching up with the sultan and he did not want to see his son have to deal with traitors such as Qarlawun. Baybars called his loyal generals to devise a plan to defeat the mighty armies of syria. In 1292 the plan was put to work. Baybars and his generals took the egyptian army west to look as if it were moving elsewhere, spies were sent to syria to report word of egypts army moving west for a time. At first it appeared the plan failed. but the day shara gave birth to son Al Assad. Qarlawun took the bait and sent half his army into egypt to take cairo. Baybars praised alah. With syrias army split in half. Baybars emerged from the desert and sarrounded the syrian army led by Al awal the son of Qarlawun. In a fierce battle 200,000 mamluks butchered the surprised syrian army. Before Qarlawun heard the news, Abdel Zuhr and his father Abdul Zuhr the murderer, led the 190,000man mamluke army into syria to defeat the remaining 100,000man syrian army. The plan worked so perfectly that Baybars army only lost 40,000men total against a better armed and trained army. Baybars executed every general and family member of Qarlawun and sent qarlawun himself to prison to be tortured daily. Baybars sent news to the syrians himself that he would restore riches to the land. in 1293 however european powers sent a delegation to rome to challenge the power of the mamelukes in the holy land. A force of 200,000 men from sicily arrived in syria and invaded. only 180000 mamelukes defended but yet again the blessings of alah and determination of baybars and his generals won the day. butchering the sicilians and burning their bodies on the ships they came in on. However syria was damaged with warfare, the army also was down to 80,000men. Baybars summoned help from maghreb and egypt to revive syria. Baybars in 1293 became ill from all of the action. his health was failing at age 60. He was still a strong leader but his body was weakening and he was not able to do as much for the empire as before. he delegated authority in syria and egypt to his loyal generals who were younger. 1294 shara gave birth to Ibn Akbar. 1295 Qarlawun dies in prison, and syria was beginning to grow and prosper under Baybars economic plans. Baybars also sent a delegation led by Abdel Zuhr to sicily demanding they surrender or be invaded and butchered like they did to castile of iberia years ago. Everyone knew what happened to the people of iberia so fear struck the rulers of italy and they reluctantly surrendered control of rome to the mamelukes of Baybars. Baybars upon hearing the news dropped to his knees and yelled praises to alah. What a victory the muslim people will have this day. With rome as a vassal the door to europe is wide open. Mameluke armies flooded into italy and all europe began to quiver in fear. Only byzantine stuck a peace agreement with the mamelukes in hopes of not being overrun by their armies. Baybars promised not to butcher the people of italy. Instead he flooded riches into the country to gain favor. He also forced islam on the people, that didnt go over too well, revolts sprung out and the army was racked with revolutions. Meanwhile 1296 kiev russia drove the golden horde out of eurasia. Europe began to mobilize armies fearing the new threat of muslim armies 600,000 muslim men at their doorsteps now. That was an army bigger than germany, england and france combined. Baybars now held the power. Baybars crushed the revolts and won the people back with gifts and martial law. Alah rewarded him with great harvests in Iberia and Italy that year of 1296 1297-1299 Baybars focused on building italies economy and building support of the population. Syria, egypt and iberia were very strong and stable, maghreb was also loyal to the mamelukes. Baybars gained so much recognition and favor now that Arabia allied with the Mamelukes and the center of islam was moved to Cairo instead of baghdad. Baybars was now forced to prepare his sons to rule over the empire after his passing drew nearer.

09-02-2001, 01:12	#5
Boshko Waygook Saram Imnida Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Korea Posts: 95	Well they also held onto Egypt as Ottoman vassals until Napoleon.

09-02-2001, 01:39	#6
Warspite Admiral of the Kings Fleet Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Appleton, WI Posts: 2,426	i think you are correct there, and after napolean that saw the end of the mamelukes rule in the region, they were pushed into nubia quietly if i recall correctly. rich history that is little known i would say of the mamelukes. its neat rewriting history with them. i can do it again when i get eu yippee, read that aar too hehe.

09-02-2001, 02:03	#7
BAM, the god of diplomacy Private Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Cleveland/Ohio/USA Posts: 16	wow, this game seems to be pretty good. is there a demo available? ------------------ I'm BAM, the god of diplomacy. so surrender all young, beautiful girls with supple bosoms to me.

09-02-2001, 09:01	#8
Ivo_tentije Corporal Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Holland Posts: 41	no demo thy got better thing to do(patches and different languages)

09-02-2001, 20:49	#10
Arinvald Second Lieutenant Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 191	Yes the Mamalukes were good at one time. They even beat up on the Mongols at Ain Jalut in 1260. Not bad.

09-02-2001, 23:45	#11
Warspite Admiral of the Kings Fleet Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Appleton, WI Posts: 2,426	Yep they did beat the mongols, that was the period just before my aar. Baybars in the aar as i explain was a warrior against the mongols. History did show the Mamelukes and egyptian peasant army were the first army in 1260 to stop the mongol advance in the arab lands. From then on the mamelukes held the Il khanate at bey. I try to blend real history in with my own history as i write it in my game. Is this aar anygood?

09-02-2001, 23:58	#12
Warspite Admiral of the Kings Fleet Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Appleton, WI Posts: 2,426	1301 Mameluke realignment. In winter of 1300 Baybars became very ill and he was unable to perform duties of Emperor or sultan. He was bed ridden and basically just a head figure while his generals did the work. Baybars would appoint his son Khalil as the new Emperor of the Mameluke empire as he was a great warrior and good politician. His other son in Iberia was appointed to Sultan of Egypt and Syria. Abdel Zuhr was made king of Maghreb the vassel state. Charles I of Sicily was left in Sicily as a vassal king because he surrendered to the muslims and Baybars was generous to him. The end of the Baybars era was near and the people prepared for new rule. Under Baybars the muslims grew stronger than ever and more wealthy. They also advanced into iberia and italy in europe and threatened the very heart of Europe now. Baybars dream was to turn europe into a muslim land, a dream he demanded his sons share. Khalils first act as emperor in 1301 was to send demands for surrender to France and Germany. Both kingdoms refused and relations grew sour and war was near. Khalil was 22 years old and he wanted war and to frolic in the blood of the infidels. He was fierce, cunning and Europes worst nightmare. next will be the period of 1301-1310

09-02-2001, 23:59	#13
Arinvald Second Lieutenant Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 191	I have enjoyed it. As I said in another thread, reading it and being reminded of GK2 made me download it last night and I will play it while I wait for EU. Seeing the game again brought a tear to my eye. If you could please answer a question. I downloaded the manual as well as the game but when I unzipped the manual I get a bunch of junk. Do you have to open it with a specific program or what? I could probably stumble through it without the manual but it would be much more enjoyable to play after reading the manual. I just cant remember the rules after 8 years. Old age I guess.

10-02-2001, 00:38	#14
BAM, the god of diplomacy Private Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Cleveland/Ohio/USA Posts: 16	where did you download it from? ------------------ I'm BAM, the god of diplomacy. so surrender all young, beautiful girls with supple bosoms to me.

10-02-2001, 06:10	#15
Arinvald Second Lieutenant Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 191	That underdog site.

10-02-2001, 20:44	#16
mosquitodriver First Lieutenant Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Senator Chevy Driver of florence born 1515/son Astorio born 1550 Posts: 275	wow, this game sounds great, i want to get it now too. which game is better though, ghenghis khan II or europa universalis? both the AARs for them sounds awesome. i dont have either game yet so i dont know. is europa universalis coming to mexico or not? thanks

10-02-2001, 22:17	#17
Arinvald Second Lieutenant Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 191	GK2 came out in '93 so it is quite a throwback now. Its a nice little game and will hold my attention while I await EU in the US. You can download GK2 for free at underdog.com. EU will be out in the US in 11 days and it will be much better than GK2 though GK2 was a great game in its day. I dont think EU will be relesed in Mexico but there will be a Spanish release.

13-02-2001, 00:49	#18
Warspite Admiral of the Kings Fleet Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Appleton, WI Posts: 2,426	1301-1302 New Emperor Reigns Terror This marks the beginning of the evil genious Emperor Khalil. While kamakura japan begins to conquer china and mongolia and the mongols weaken all over asia. The jagatai khanate vanishes, the golden horde is gone the ugitai khanate is about to be conquered by india. the il khanate is being beaten by mamelukes and byzantine armies. Thus while the major powers split up mongol lands, the greed for land spreads to europe. First poland grabs up russia. Then byzantine follows by taking russia from Poland. German holy roman empire takes poland then and france fails in its attack into Germany. So europeans are fighting and weakening themselves, ruining their chance to unite against the muslims at their doorsteps. France finally sees the onslaught about to happen with the death of Baybars in summer of 1302. So france secures a peace treaty for 8 years with Khalil. This is perfect for Khalil however as he plans his conquest of europe. With the death of Baybars in summer of 1302 the empire mourned. However at the funeral only the sons Salamish 31 year old, and Al Assad 10 year old and others showed. Khalil did not show because he planned with his armies. He was happy his father was out of the way from blocking his reckless slaughter of non muslims. Khalil went as far to say that his father was a weak ruler who only spread islam to those who offended him. Khalil vowed to spread islam to all the world. To inialate all good and bad people if they are not muslims. He also had Salamish deposed as sultan and forced him into iberia as a puppet vassal. Khalil charged Salamish as being a weak leader and terrible warrior who did not deserve honor. He then had his other brother Al Assad taken secretly to Malta in captivity so that he does not grow to threaten his rule. Al Assad though young was a strong boy and had the potential to be strong in all things. Khalil gained loyalty from the army, however islamic leaders and scholars did not trust his motives. Salamish was jealous of Khalil who he feels stole his spot as Emperor so he plotted his brothers downfall with his allies in egypt and syria. Khalil now with all the power solidly with his massive army, had all non muslims in italy slaughtered. all non muslims in his empire were killed no one was to escape alive. He also demanded Arabia, his fathers beloved islamic friend, to pay tribute or they too would be crushed and taken. This lost Khalil much respect in the islamic world and he would from then on have loyalty only from his armies and corrupt citizens but muslims of integrity would never back him only live in fear of him. The empire though remaining as one, would essentially be split in half. Khalil would maintain direct control of his conquered lands and his armies, while Salamish easily had the backing of iberia, egypt and syrian muslims. Now that the lines had been drawn, the blood began to flow and it would flow in oceans as Khalil set about his plan of murder and conquest. The mongols and genghis khan would never had dreamed of being so ruthless as Khalil the Mameluke, infact they would make a historic strategy game in the 20th century that was called Khalil the Mameluke and it would be better than genghis khans game. follow along next time as i take you on a journey of blood 1302-1310 'Take thier hearts and feed them to their devil in their hell' Emperor Khalil the mameluke addressing his generals before invading Germany summer 1303. [This message has been edited by warspite (edited 13-02-2001).]

13-02-2001, 02:05	#19
Warspite Admiral of the Kings Fleet Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Appleton, WI Posts: 2,426	ROYAL MARRIAGE IN ROME 1302 The weeks following Baybars death. Khalil purposely avoided the funeral so he could spend time with his army in day and with his mistress Patricia by night. Patricia was the secret daughter of Pope Honorius IV. The Pope did a little nap sacking behind the red curtain but kept it a secret. That is until Patricia and her converted mother came forward with the story. This shocked the catholic church in europe. Patricia to save her life as her countrymen died around her, converted over to islam. She was considered one of the most beautiful women of europe. Khalil was happy to take her islamic success story into his own. She was a figure of the future, corrupt and fake catholics will bow to alah and accept islam. Khalil and Patricia were married by the islamic leader Muhammed Gua Al Muffasud in 1302. 'My devine lord, i will bow to you always. If only you had seen how my father bathed in his glory and power while dispising the peasants. He read from the gospel of Jesus only what he wanted them to hear, tainting the words to fit the needs of the holy church. Cursed are the dead in catholic europe, blessed are the living in Khalils Islamic Empire.' Patricia while submitting to Khalil and converting to Islam before the royal marriage.