CTD when tactical bombing in MP - Page 2

Excelsior · 16-12-2002, 20:15

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Originally posted by casherings
1.02 fixed......i think.
been playing 1.02/mp for a few days now, with the use of bombers and no ctd anymore, yet...

No, I'm using 1.02 and it still seems alive and well, though it might be improved over 1.01; I don't know, I never used 1.01 in MP. The bug doesn't crash it all the time (certainly not 1 out of every 3 times), but it does increase the frequency of crashes quite significantly when using bombers (from once every couple of hours to once every 10-15 minutes, during a heavy war).

L G · 17-12-2002, 01:17

Yeah, it isnt AS frequent as 1.01 but it's still quite frequent

tank_buster · 17-12-2002, 03:38

Nope I am using 1.02, the problem may have been worse in 1.01 but is still very much alive in 1.02

Kolyana · 17-12-2002, 04:57

I reported this a while ago in the BUGS forum:

http://www.europa-universalis.com/fo...threadid=59837

I have experienced everytime I have played in MP, as China or as Japan (haven't played the other countries yet), and never in single player.

It has happened in any province, one or multiple planes, in 1.01 and 1.02, whether manually attacking or putting planes on auto attack, on first attack, second, third or pretty much at any time.

And it is guaranteed to happen, i can reproduce it easily.

L G · 17-12-2002, 05:39

I personally dont usually see a pattern, usually DOESNT happen the fist attack though.

Kolyana · 17-12-2002, 13:04

I was in an MP game with friends last Sunday night, 4 of us. Very first Tactical attack of the war (from me) caused a CTD for me instantly.

L G · 17-12-2002, 15:52

*waits for vulture with possible news*

eeers · 23-12-2002, 20:05

Just a bit more info i have noticed..

I play alot of MP with 1 friend i have, he can't seem to host with his connection, so am always the host, we both have dsl, and i use a linksys router.

There have never been alot of random crashes and i can use my bombers without a problem.

It does seem to be better with 1.02 but still makes using air a bit of a problem.

The only really new thing i can add to what has already been said is that we played a game over a lan connection and did not have any problems with the CTD, Don't know if this will help or not but thought i would add it, in hopes this can get fixed as soon as possible, as i really enjoy MP and this makes MP very hard to play.

Thanx

Janster · 26-12-2002, 16:27

Just like EU there was no beta testing of multiplayer it seems, so we suffer badly, anyhow CTD

It seems that its not related to tactical bombing at all, its related to sync problems, you will crash to desktop for example when two fleets engage, or when two airforces get into combat.
This happens usually when there has been some time sine last combat, and the game has run out of sync. After CTD then we can play for some time without anything regardless of any new attacks or bombings...until there is a lull in the fighting and then voila..CTD again.

Until they manage to get some good netcode in, and perhaps use some of the experience gathered from EU 2 multiplayer on anything else than a 100mbit lan is gonna be bloody hell.

with regards
Janster

GS_Guderian · 29-12-2002, 15:15

yeah, wish this prob will get solved!

My observations so far:

- It doesn´t matter wheather it´s the 1st or second or whatver bomberrun

- It doesn´t matter if he is on a multi- or single bomber run

- It only happens with Tac Bombers (so far)

- It doesn´t matter wheather the enemy has ground forces present or not

- It can also happen directly after a reload from a recent btw.

All observations from playing 1.02. Speed was normaly on a range from very slow - below normal.

GS_Guderian

L G · 30-12-2002, 01:12

It also happens with naval bombers occasionally. Seems less frequent lately oddly.

Gezeder · 01-01-2003, 13:16

I haven't seen this bug very often, but it has happened to me twice recently:

3 Player Game, 56K Modem host in Australia, one other 56K Modem in Australia, on Cabel Modem in Sweden. Below Normal play speed, running quite well so far.

We play with a house rule, No units allowed that have a tac bombing strength above 0. (Because of this reported bug)

Played about 14 hours, over multiple days and multiple load-saves. I lost my modem connection several times due to call waiting etc (Nothing to do with HOI at all).

There were 2 crashes which were not caused by my connection dropping out. Both happened on the exact second a Tac Bomb was attempted, by the Swedish player. He was attempting to set his Fighters to Patrol, and accidently set them to Tac Bomb. (Keep in mind they have a bombing ability of 0.... i think?)

Both times he says the crashe occured the second the fighters got to the province and attempted to bomb. In each case, he was booted CTD, and the other player & myself saved & quit.

Anyway, just thought i'd contibute my experiences.

Gezeder

Janster · 01-01-2003, 18:21

I bet you guys havent played with naval units much then, trust me, once the fleets meet..voila CTD..
one more thing..you can play the game from 1936 to 1939 fine with almost no crashes....and it will be a fine and long game...but as you will also notice..no wars hehe...so no crashes..

Anyhow once the shit hits the fan...ta-da you're left with CTD.
Armies doesnt seem to cause CTD as far as I can tell though, only the more rapid moving units..

Janster

casherings · 01-01-2003, 19:14

It seems noone at paradox follows this tread anymore, while this bug makes mp games unplayable. I think janister is right about other fast moving units also causing ctd.

would be nice if someone at paradox tells us that there working on this bug..........

ETF · 01-01-2003, 20:01

I have posted this bug back before the holidays, I'm sure this is a quick fix for 1.03. Not thats its much consolation but, the bug does not happen in Lan games. That may help the odd person who has a Lan or a few buddies with laptops they can bring over.

Hope you have a good 2003!

Minodrin · 01-01-2003, 20:45

Is this bug even listed in the Bug List? I searched for bombing, tactical and multi yet failed to find it. Maybe if someone cares to read it trough by hand.

Janster · 01-01-2003, 21:40

I wish they had really had some more serious LAN beta testing, then these problems would have been discovered immidiatly, normally I'm trying to be patient, but we have had this problems since EU 1, and they're still of the same type, altough EU 2 last patches did make it a lot more stable.

Anyhow the game is more stable over LAN, but its heavily depandant on how many who participate, we've tried up to 5 and trust me, on 5 player the game is hopeless to play, with 2 or 3 the game seems fine enough.

we run on a 100mbit switch with the host pc being an AMD 1200 with 512 mb ram running on win xp pro.

We've tried with faster machines but to no avail.

Janster

ETF · 02-01-2003, 12:41

Guys sorry I didn't mention but I posted the TAC/AIR bug in the beta land bug reports, as well as Vulture I believe
not the GD bug listing. Janster I have had excellent game-play with Lan networks. Usually play with 3-5 players and find it fairly stable. Good for at least 30 mins at a time. Usually 45-60 mins though. Is it crashing in certain screens, ie diplomacy, annexing nations. I was not able to reproduce and TAC/AIR problems with LAN games, were you? Have played 50+ Lan games. Online games of course CTD in minutes

Thanks

DogRed · 02-01-2003, 15:01

I was feed up with not knowing whether the bug had been reported so I took the liberty to re-report it yesterday. You can read that post here:

http://www.europa-universalis.com/fo...threadid=64652

According to the reply I received, the bug is known, but has not been "logged in" because they "don't see any conditions or triggers that cause the CTD." I sincerely hope that this does not mean that the bug isn't being corrected. You can read the full thread here:

http://www.europa-universalis.com/fo...threadid=64650

tank_buster · 02-01-2003, 16:50

This bug BETTER get fixed! This is THE NUMBER ONE MP bug in existence in my opinion. MP games are a sureal chess-like decent into unrealism without tac air. Countries like Germany have a tough time without it and it severely hampers the ability to control the seas without torpedo or naval bombers.

Paradox please fix this one.

17-12-2002, 01:17	#22
L G Spartan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: home Posts: 1,520	Yeah, it isnt AS frequent as 1.01 but it's still quite frequent __________________ No sig...

17-12-2002, 03:38	#23
tank_buster First Lieutenant Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Northern VA, USA Posts: 212	Nope I am using 1.02, the problem may have been worse in 1.01 but is still very much alive in 1.02 __________________ ----------------------------- Feedback from the environment is essential to rapid evolution. Sudden, violent death is a highly effective and time-proven form of negative feedback.

17-12-2002, 05:39	#25
L G Spartan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: home Posts: 1,520	I personally dont usually see a pattern, usually DOESNT happen the fist attack though. __________________ No sig...

17-12-2002, 15:52	#27
L G Spartan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: home Posts: 1,520	waits for vulture with possible news __________________ No sig...

26-12-2002, 16:27	#29
Janster Captain Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Peasantville Posts: 480	Crash to desktop Just like EU there was no beta testing of multiplayer it seems, so we suffer badly, anyhow CTD It seems that its not related to tactical bombing at all, its related to sync problems, you will crash to desktop for example when two fleets engage, or when two airforces get into combat. This happens usually when there has been some time sine last combat, and the game has run out of sync. After CTD then we can play for some time without anything regardless of any new attacks or bombings...until there is a lull in the fighting and then voila..CTD again. Until they manage to get some good netcode in, and perhaps use some of the experience gathered from EU 2 multiplayer on anything else than a 100mbit lan is gonna be bloody hell. with regards Janster

17-12-2002, 04:57	#24
Kolyana Second Lieutenant Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 123	I reported this a while ago in the BUGS forum: http://www.europa-universalis.com/fo...threadid=59837 I have experienced everytime I have played in MP, as China or as Japan (haven't played the other countries yet), and never in single player. It has happened in any province, one or multiple planes, in 1.01 and 1.02, whether manually attacking or putting planes on auto attack, on first attack, second, third or pretty much at any time. And it is guaranteed to happen, i can reproduce it easily.

17-12-2002, 13:04	#26
Kolyana Second Lieutenant Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 123	I was in an MP game with friends last Sunday night, 4 of us. Very first Tactical attack of the war (from me) caused a CTD for me instantly.

23-12-2002, 20:05	#28
eeers Private Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 14	Just a bit more info i have noticed.. I play alot of MP with 1 friend i have, he can't seem to host with his connection, so am always the host, we both have dsl, and i use a linksys router. There have never been alot of random crashes and i can use my bombers without a problem. It does seem to be better with 1.02 but still makes using air a bit of a problem. The only really new thing i can add to what has already been said is that we played a game over a lan connection and did not have any problems with the CTD, Don't know if this will help or not but thought i would add it, in hopes this can get fixed as soon as possible, as i really enjoy MP and this makes MP very hard to play. Thanx

29-12-2002, 15:15	#30
GS_Guderian Granzerpennadier Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lüneburger Heide Posts: 784	*sigh* yeah, wish this prob will get solved! My observations so far: - It doesn´t matter wheather it´s the 1st or second or whatver bomberrun - It doesn´t matter if he is on a multi- or single bomber run - It only happens with Tac Bombers (so far) - It doesn´t matter wheather the enemy has ground forces present or not - It can also happen directly after a reload from a recent btw. All observations from playing 1.02. Speed was normaly on a range from very slow - below normal. GS_Guderian __________________ GS_Guderian 2nd Commander in chief GS_Clan

30-12-2002, 01:12	#31
L G Spartan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: home Posts: 1,520	It also happens with naval bombers occasionally. Seems less frequent lately oddly. __________________ No sig...

01-01-2003, 13:16	#32
Gezeder Major Join Date: May 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 519	I haven't seen this bug very often, but it has happened to me twice recently: 3 Player Game, 56K Modem host in Australia, one other 56K Modem in Australia, on Cabel Modem in Sweden. Below Normal play speed, running quite well so far. We play with a house rule, No units allowed that have a tac bombing strength above 0. (Because of this reported bug) Played about 14 hours, over multiple days and multiple load-saves. I lost my modem connection several times due to call waiting etc (Nothing to do with HOI at all). There were 2 crashes which were not caused by my connection dropping out. Both happened on the exact second a Tac Bomb was attempted, by the Swedish player. He was attempting to set his Fighters to Patrol, and accidently set them to Tac Bomb. (Keep in mind they have a bombing ability of 0.... i think?) Both times he says the crashe occured the second the fighters got to the province and attempted to bomb. In each case, he was booted CTD, and the other player & myself saved & quit. Anyway, just thought i'd contibute my experiences. Gezeder

01-01-2003, 18:21	#33
Janster Captain Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Peasantville Posts: 480	hehe I bet you guys havent played with naval units much then, trust me, once the fleets meet..voila CTD.. one more thing..you can play the game from 1936 to 1939 fine with almost no crashes....and it will be a fine and long game...but as you will also notice..no wars hehe...so no crashes.. Anyhow once the shit hits the fan...ta-da you're left with CTD. Armies doesnt seem to cause CTD as far as I can tell though, only the more rapid moving units.. Janster

01-01-2003, 19:14	#34
casherings Captain Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: monkey island Posts: 324	It seems noone at paradox follows this tread anymore, while this bug makes mp games unplayable. I think janister is right about other fast moving units also causing ctd. would be nice if someone at paradox tells us that there working on this bug..........

01-01-2003, 20:01	#35
ETF Hamilton LAN MP Group Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hamilton, Ontario, Dominion of Canada Posts: 1,593	I have posted this bug back before the holidays, I'm sure this is a quick fix for 1.03. Not thats its much consolation but, the bug does not happen in Lan games. That may help the odd person who has a Lan or a few buddies with laptops they can bring over. Hope you have a good 2003! __________________ HOI/VICKY/HOI2/Doomsday Beta Tester "FOR KING and COUNTRY" "Don't enjoy winning if your not prepared to lose once in a while!" http://www.meetup.com/Computer

01-01-2003, 20:45	#36
Minodrin Jäg. Holmberg Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Turku, Finland Posts: 1,173	Is this bug even listed in the Bug List? I searched for bombing, tactical and multi yet failed to find it. Maybe if someone cares to read it trough by hand. __________________ Also known as Jäg. Holmberg

01-01-2003, 21:40	#37
Janster Captain Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Peasantville Posts: 480	Lan I wish they had really had some more serious LAN beta testing, then these problems would have been discovered immidiatly, normally I'm trying to be patient, but we have had this problems since EU 1, and they're still of the same type, altough EU 2 last patches did make it a lot more stable. Anyhow the game is more stable over LAN, but its heavily depandant on how many who participate, we've tried up to 5 and trust me, on 5 player the game is hopeless to play, with 2 or 3 the game seems fine enough. we run on a 100mbit switch with the host pc being an AMD 1200 with 512 mb ram running on win xp pro. We've tried with faster machines but to no avail. Janster

02-01-2003, 12:41	#38
ETF Hamilton LAN MP Group Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hamilton, Ontario, Dominion of Canada Posts: 1,593	Guys sorry I didn't mention but I posted the TAC/AIR bug in the beta land bug reports, as well as Vulture I believe not the GD bug listing. Janster I have had excellent game-play with Lan networks. Usually play with 3-5 players and find it fairly stable. Good for at least 30 mins at a time. Usually 45-60 mins though. Is it crashing in certain screens, ie diplomacy, annexing nations. I was not able to reproduce and TAC/AIR problems with LAN games, were you? Have played 50+ Lan games. Online games of course CTD in minutes Thanks __________________ HOI/VICKY/HOI2/Doomsday Beta Tester "FOR KING and COUNTRY" "Don't enjoy winning if your not prepared to lose once in a while!" http://www.meetup.com/Computer

02-01-2003, 15:01	#39
DogRed Second Lieutenant Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 144	Reported I was feed up with not knowing whether the bug had been reported so I took the liberty to re-report it yesterday. You can read that post here: http://www.europa-universalis.com/fo...threadid=64652 According to the reply I received, the bug is known, but has not been "logged in" because they "don't see any conditions or triggers that cause the CTD." I sincerely hope that this does not mean that the bug isn't being corrected. You can read the full thread here: http://www.europa-universalis.com/fo...threadid=64650

02-01-2003, 16:50	#40
tank_buster First Lieutenant Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Northern VA, USA Posts: 212	Oh. . .My. . .God! This bug BETTER get fixed! This is THE NUMBER ONE MP bug in existence in my opinion. MP games are a sureal chess-like decent into unrealism without tac air. Countries like Germany have a tough time without it and it severely hampers the ability to control the seas without torpedo or naval bombers. Paradox please fix this one. __________________ ----------------------------- Feedback from the environment is essential to rapid evolution. Sudden, violent death is a highly effective and time-proven form of negative feedback.